Darkforbid
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Most religious people are well aware of there shortcomings but are atheists?
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OK atheists list your sins
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Sin is a religious concept, so i dont sin. But have messed up in my life. The thing is, as an atheist i have no god to mollycoddle me so have had to accept responsibility for my errors or stupidity and put things right myself.
And one of the biggest shortcomings of Christianity is threatening people who dont worship their mythology that they will burn in hell.
I have recieved this threat many times from christians, who at times have also threatened my parents (good christians) because i won't follow religious bullpoop. And have threatened my innocent children with the same fate.
If that's what being a good christian is then feel free to keep it.
I disagree, because everyone is very very human and hedge, dodge, avoid confronting their own shortcomings and sins?, but may selective admit some of their shortcomings and sins.
I don't buy into the religious notion of sin. I do have many faults, though. I try to be a good person, but often fail to live up to even my on expectations.
One difference is that I don't have/need a deity to forgive me. If I harm someone through my action or inaction, it is up to *them* to forgive me. It is up to me to find a way to make matters right, if possible. In cases where that is impossible, I have to live with the fact that I didn't do as well as I should have.
'Sins': I tend to be lazier than I should. (Sloth). I tend to eat more than I should and exercise less (although probably not to the extent of Gluttony), I don't tend to be subject to (Envy). I like sex *a lot*, but I don't even consider that a fault (Lust). Being a mathematicians, I have a good sized ego on some matters (Pride). I don't find myself actively disliking many people (Wrath) and am not very acquisitive (Greed).
Faults: I don't write letters of recommendation as well as I would like. Sometimes I forget to write them. This harms people. I brought another person into this universe. While she is an amazing person, it did go against my principles. I don't do as much of the housework as I should. I spend too much time on RF and not enough time learning new things.
One difference is that I don't have/need a deity to forgive me. If I harm someone through my action or inaction, it is up to *them* to forgive me. It is up to me to find a way to make matters right, if possible. In cases where that is impossible, I have to live with the fact that I didn't do as well as I should have.
'Sins': I tend to be lazier than I should. (Sloth). I tend to eat more than I should and exercise less (although probably not to the extent of Gluttony), I don't tend to be subject to (Envy). I like sex *a lot*, but I don't even consider that a fault (Lust). Being a mathematicians, I have a good sized ego on some matters (Pride). I don't find myself actively disliking many people (Wrath) and am not very acquisitive (Greed).
Faults: I don't write letters of recommendation as well as I would like. Sometimes I forget to write them. This harms people. I brought another person into this universe. While she is an amazing person, it did go against my principles. I don't do as much of the housework as I should. I spend too much time on RF and not enough time learning new things.
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I've no sin, but I must give some thought to discover any faults I might have.
Darkforbid
Well-Known Member
Sad, attempt to shift blame
dianaiad
Well-Known Member
I'm not an atheist.
However, it seems to me that 'sin' is best defined as 'something that violates one's personal standards, beliefs or honor."
Not someone ELSE'S, one's own.
So. I'm LDS. that means that for ME, drinking coffee is a 'sin.' However, I can pretty much guarantee that for you it isn't. You made no such promise.
So if you are going to ask atheists to list their sins...those transgressions against anybody else's beliefs, give it up. Few have done that. However, if you are going to ask them to list all the times when they have gone against their own standards...
Give it up. That's none of your business. IMO, of course.
LightofTruth
Well-Known Member
If your're speaking of sin according to the Bible then sin is defined as transgression of the laws of God. But not all people were given God's laws. It was only the Jewish people who entered into covenant with God. God gave them only His laws. Anyone outside of that covenant is not under those laws and therefore can not transgress laws that they were never obligated to keep.
The only law that atheist are under is the law of sin and death. Which means that when Adam sinned they sinned also and are therefore under the penalty of death. they did not commit Adam's transgression but were in him anyway because from him we all came.
Darkforbid
Well-Known Member
Coffee doesn't have to be hot, why would ice expresso be a sin?
LightofTruth
Well-Known Member
As an atheist you are not in covenant with God and are therefore not obligated to obey His laws. The only law you are under is the law of sin and death. Which means that you are under the penalty of Adam's transgression and will return to the dust you were made from. God did not tell Adam that he was going to suffer for all eternity but that he would return the dust he was made from.
The only ones who need worry about suffering a second death are those who enter covenant with God for a resurrection from the dead. If they were unfaithful to His covenat then they will die a second death.
Athiest have no need to worry about suffering a second death.
This could be conclusion concerning your opening post.
I disagree that most religious people are aware of their shortcomings. In my dealings with religious people they don't understand the concept of being morally wrong perhaps because of the issue with forgiveness always being available. Whatever they do tends to be morally right because it is done in Gods name.
Atheists because they have no God to forgive them tend to be more aware of there short comings and try to fix them because only they can.
As to sin no atheist can list sins because sin's are defined as an act against god's will and atheists do not have a god to act against.
As others have said - we atheists have to live with our misdemeanours (bad deeds, sins, call it what you will) - they either get assimilated as knowledge and/or become regrets that we have to live with. We don't get the easy way out of forgiveness from a higher authority (Catholics at confession for example) such that they will live with us as examples of what not to do in the future - if we are wise enough.
It's a bit pointless dragging a dead log (or dog) around with one all one's life.
It's a bit pointless dragging a dead log (or dog) around with one all one's life.
Darkforbid
Well-Known Member
As only one atheist has addressed 'their sin' I would seem you're just reciting the usual atheist dogma
Cooky
Veteran Member
I'm surprised that atheists reflect much on their regrets, as whatever happens is all based on our environment and experiences, so I would have though everything falls in the category of 'it is what it is'.
I wonder why you have regrets.
Howard Is
Lucky Mud
Shift blame for what? Threatening children with burning in hell because their mother wont kneel to your mythology?
Right, how am i to blame for christians empty threats?