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Nirvanayou are out of your mind.
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Nirvanayou are out of your mind.
"My question is, why is our consciousness so full of bloodshed, inhumane abuse, rape and torture of man, woman, and child... and hopelessness that lead some to suicide?" (Your own post at #90)How so?Yeah, if the universe and humans were created by any God, then it was a very defective design.
I know some of it. I do not know the whole of it. Basically, whether there is a non-existent state of energy, or one can say if there is something like 'Absolute Nothing', not even space, no field forces? Or whether the Multiverse theory is correct? Science has not yet reached there (and I know only what science tells me). That is something which our future generations will know. At the moment we do not have the data. However, there is no doubt about the observed world, it is grey. It definitely is not what it appears to be.In other words... you don't know. Okay.Shades of reality. Is it wholly real? Or partly real? Or not real at all.
I asked that question, to those who believe that nothing is real but everything is just a consciousness experience (forgive me if I didn't get that right )"My question is, why is our consciousness so full of bloodshed, inhumane abuse, rape and torture of man, woman, and child... and hopelessness that lead some to suicide?" (Your own post at #90)
I know some of it. I do not know the whole of it. Basically, whether there is a non-existent state of energy, or one can say if there is something like 'Absolute Nothing', not even space? Or whether the Multiverse theory is correct? Science has not yet reached there (and I know only what science tells me). However, there is no doubt about the observed world, it is grey. It definitely is not what it appears to be.
Again, I would ask, how much real? I do not know if you will get my meaning. Yes, they do appear to be real (at the worldly level). They may not belong to what Hindus know as 'Paramarthika Satya' (absolute reality). The concept exists in all other Indian religions too, Buddhism, Jainism and Sikhism - 'maya', the duality/ambiguousness of appearance, true at one level, false at another.Those situations are real - rape, murder, torture, and they are carried out by people.
My question is, why is our consciousness so full of bloodshed, inhumane abuse, rape and torture of man, woman, and child... and hopelessness that lead some to suicide?
Where did such a consciousness originate?
I see the physical world as real - a real experience.
Yeah, right. That explains how your consciousness disappears entirely when you are given a general anaesthetic before surgery. See, propofol only shuts down the physical brain -- but when you do that, tada! No more consciousness.
To (Amanaki) the physical world is nothing more than a reflection of (Amanaki`s) Consciousness and perception of what the consciousness experiences in each moment. (meaning the physical world is not real)
To others, the answer to what the physical world is will be different.
How do you perceive the physical realm/world in your understanding?
I brought in wisdom, not a religion.I would have had no problem with it if you did not mix Abraham in it. But you did, and therefore, I disagree. As we Hindus would say, 'your 'samskaras' pull you back'.
The Purple Garden is real by the way, the idea some people don't realize reality is real is part of the Illusion.Please don't ask me to provide evidence to prove the invisible purple garden is real
Absolutely.
What wisdom? God! I have rejected the idea long back.I brought in wisdom, not a religion.
The physical world is a set of forces. these forces work together or they collide. it's a mixture of for and against. we are part of this motion of forces. now, I am syo, when I die I become something else depending on the natural forces. the forces that made me will become set free and something new will appear. there is one world, we are all part of, and the world is everchanging.How do you perceive the physical realm/world in your understanding?
What would that help to solve? The universe has its own physical law (within the dharma) So if you punch someone you hit them. But if a person has the supernatural ability ( psychic powers) they can punch through you. So yes still the solid is not so solid after all
Pain is only a reaction to an action done in the past. impermanence.Such persons always refuse to be struck because they acknowledge the reality of pain, and deny however strong their "belief" that pain is (reality is) illusory.
Hah, does not work. Because you, me, the slap, the pain, none of these is a reality in true sense. It is just not possible to ground those who believe in 'maya' (Hinduism) and 'anatta' (Buddhism - non-substantiativeness).Well, we have virtual particles and 'multiverse' theories.
Universe - Wikipedia
The pain is only the reaction of the nerve system in the body reacting to the blow from the fist. it's only a reaction to an action done in the past. Nothing more nothing less.It ALWAYS works, no one has ever said, "Pain is an illusion, so go ahead and strike me." NEVER.
You are constantly changing since your birth and will keep on changing.Now, I am syo, when I die I become something else depending on the natural forces. the forces that made me will become set free and something new will appear. there is one world, we are all part of, and the world is everchanging.
I do not deny that I will feel pain. But you, me, the slap, the pain, all are felt by me at a lower level of reality. The atoms have not hit me, the atoms will not feel pain, may be a small change/displacement.Such persons always refuse to be struck because they acknowledge the reality of pain, and deny however strong their "belief" that pain is (reality is) illusory.
At the lower level of reality, why would I ask to be hit? Just like why I would ask a lion to eat me? But go 'micro'. What happens in 'macro' has no relation to the 'micro'. All these 'happenings' are at a lower level of reality.It ALWAYS works, no one has ever said, "Pain is an illusion, so go ahead and strike me." NEVER.
Reality/illusion is just another false dichotomy. To me, it's all real, just different levels of observation.To (Amanaki) the physical world is nothing more than a reflection of (Amanaki`s) Consciousness and perception of what the consciousness experiences in each moment. (meaning the physical world is not real)
To others, the answer to what the physical world is will be different.
How do you perceive the physical realm/world in your understanding?
I brought in wisdom, not a religion.
The boundaries in pursuit of wisdom, blind us to seeing the whole.
To (Amanaki) the physical world is nothing more than a reflection of (Amanaki`s) Consciousness and perception of what the consciousness experiences in each moment. (meaning the physical world is not real)
To others, the answer to what the physical world is will be different.
How do you perceive the physical realm/world in your understanding?
True!You are constantly changing since your birth and will keep on changing.