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What is the physical world?

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
Yeah, if the universe and humans were created by any God, then it was a very defective design. :)
How so? :confused:
"My question is, why is our consciousness so full of bloodshed, inhumane abuse, rape and torture of man, woman, and child... and hopelessness that lead some to suicide?" (Your own post at #90)
Shades of reality. Is it wholly real? Or partly real? Or not real at all. :)
In other words... you don't know. Okay. :)
I know some of it. I do not know the whole of it. Basically, whether there is a non-existent state of energy, or one can say if there is something like 'Absolute Nothing', not even space, no field forces? Or whether the Multiverse theory is correct? Science has not yet reached there (and I know only what science tells me). That is something which our future generations will know. At the moment we do not have the data. However, there is no doubt about the observed world, it is grey. It definitely is not what it appears to be.
 
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nPeace

Veteran Member
"My question is, why is our consciousness so full of bloodshed, inhumane abuse, rape and torture of man, woman, and child... and hopelessness that lead some to suicide?" (Your own post at #90)
I know some of it. I do not know the whole of it. Basically, whether there is a non-existent state of energy, or one can say if there is something like 'Absolute Nothing', not even space? Or whether the Multiverse theory is correct? Science has not yet reached there (and I know only what science tells me). However, there is no doubt about the observed world, it is grey. It definitely is not what it appears to be.
I asked that question, to those who believe that nothing is real but everything is just a consciousness experience (forgive me if I didn't get that right :confused:)
I don't believe that, so I was not saying that God plated those things in our ?mind?.

Those situations are real - rape, murder, torture, and they are carried out by people.
Hope you understand what I saying. :)

So there is no need to ask God that question. I was asking the poster of the OP. They have explained.
 

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
Those situations are real - rape, murder, torture, and they are carried out by people.
Again, I would ask, how much real? I do not know if you will get my meaning. Yes, they do appear to be real (at the worldly level). They may not belong to what Hindus know as 'Paramarthika Satya' (absolute reality). The concept exists in all other Indian religions too, Buddhism, Jainism and Sikhism - 'maya', the duality/ambiguousness of appearance, true at one level, false at another.
 
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ajay0

Well-Known Member
My question is, why is our consciousness so full of bloodshed, inhumane abuse, rape and torture of man, woman, and child... and hopelessness that lead some to suicide?
Where did such a consciousness originate?
I see the physical world as real - a real experience.

It is because of defilements in the state of consciousness due to strong desires like cravings and aversions. All crimes can be traced back to these strong selfish desires which may force one to transcend a virtuous code of conduct necessary for harmonious functioning of the individual and society.

The focus of all religion is the purification of consciousness .

As Eckhart Tolle says, " If you get the inside right, the outside will fall into place."
 

ajay0

Well-Known Member
Yeah, right. That explains how your consciousness disappears entirely when you are given a general anaesthetic before surgery. See, propofol only shuts down the physical brain -- but when you do that, tada! No more consciousness.

This is also what happens in the deep sleep state without dreams as opposed to the dreaming state.

In the dreaming state, one is conscious of the dream upon waking, whereas in the deep sleep state one is conscious of no such dreams upon waking. But the very fact that one is clearly conscious of not having dreamt anything during deep sleep is proof that there is an underlying conscious entity even during deep sleep (or the unconsciousness that comes during anaesthesia.)

This is why we state that consciousness is of a permanent nature and is not entirely subject to the impermanence of the phenomenal world.
 

ajay0

Well-Known Member
To (Amanaki) the physical world is nothing more than a reflection of (Amanaki`s) Consciousness and perception of what the consciousness experiences in each moment. (meaning the physical world is not real)
To others, the answer to what the physical world is will be different.

How do you perceive the physical realm/world in your understanding?

Yes, Advaita Vedanta also proclaims this and this has been the direct perception of enlightened masters of the past and present like Nisargadatta, Eckhart Tolle, Ramana Maharshi, Anandamayi Ma,Adi Shankaracharya, Jallaludin Rumi, Bernadette Roberts, Jeff Foster, Jac O Keffee, Robert Adams, Sailor Bob Adamson, Mooji and so on.
 

wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
I would have had no problem with it if you did not mix Abraham in it. But you did, and therefore, I disagree. As we Hindus would say, 'your 'samskaras' pull you back'.
I brought in wisdom, not a religion.

The boundaries in pursuit of wisdom, blind us to seeing the whole.
Please don't ask me to provide evidence to prove the invisible purple garden is real
The Purple Garden is real by the way, the idea some people don't realize reality is real is part of the Illusion.

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In my opinion. :innocent:
 

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
I brought in wisdom, not a religion.
What wisdom? God! I have rejected the idea long back.

Salix: सच्चिदानन्द That is how it is in Sanskrit, Saccidananda).

"Basic conjugational endings:
Conjugational endings in Sanskrit convey person, number, and voice. Different forms of the endings are used depending on what tense stem and mood they are attached to. Verb stems or the endings themselves may be changed or obscured by 'sandhi'."
Sanskrit grammar - Wikipedia
 
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syo

Well-Known Member
How do you perceive the physical realm/world in your understanding?
The physical world is a set of forces. these forces work together or they collide. it's a mixture of for and against. we are part of this motion of forces. now, I am syo, when I die I become something else depending on the natural forces. the forces that made me will become set free and something new will appear. there is one world, we are all part of, and the world is everchanging.
 

BilliardsBall

Veteran Member
What would that help to solve? The universe has its own physical law (within the dharma) So if you punch someone you hit them. But if a person has the supernatural ability ( psychic powers) they can punch through you. So yes still the solid is not so solid after all

Such persons always refuse to be struck because they acknowledge the reality of pain, and deny however strong their "belief" that pain is (reality is) illusory.
 

BilliardsBall

Veteran Member
Hah, does not work. Because you, me, the slap, the pain, none of these is a reality in true sense. It is just not possible to ground those who believe in 'maya' (Hinduism) and 'anatta' (Buddhism - non-substantiativeness).Well, we have virtual particles and 'multiverse' theories.
Universe - Wikipedia

It ALWAYS works, no one has ever said, "Pain is an illusion, so go ahead and strike me." NEVER.
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
It ALWAYS works, no one has ever said, "Pain is an illusion, so go ahead and strike me." NEVER.
The pain is only the reaction of the nerve system in the body reacting to the blow from the fist. it's only a reaction to an action done in the past. Nothing more nothing less.
as long you attach the punch to the feeling, you feel pain when letting go of the feeling/attachments to"this will hurt" it is no longer pain
 

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
Now, I am syo, when I die I become something else depending on the natural forces. the forces that made me will become set free and something new will appear. there is one world, we are all part of, and the world is everchanging.
You are constantly changing since your birth and will keep on changing. :D
Such persons always refuse to be struck because they acknowledge the reality of pain, and deny however strong their "belief" that pain is (reality is) illusory.
I do not deny that I will feel pain. But you, me, the slap, the pain, all are felt by me at a lower level of reality. The atoms have not hit me, the atoms will not feel pain, may be a small change/displacement.
It ALWAYS works, no one has ever said, "Pain is an illusion, so go ahead and strike me." NEVER.
At the lower level of reality, why would I ask to be hit? Just like why I would ask a lion to eat me? But go 'micro'. What happens in 'macro' has no relation to the 'micro'. All these 'happenings' are at a lower level of reality.
 
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Saint Frankenstein

Wanderer From Afar
Premium Member
To (Amanaki) the physical world is nothing more than a reflection of (Amanaki`s) Consciousness and perception of what the consciousness experiences in each moment. (meaning the physical world is not real)
To others, the answer to what the physical world is will be different.

How do you perceive the physical realm/world in your understanding?
Reality/illusion is just another false dichotomy. To me, it's all real, just different levels of observation.
 

dfnj

Well-Known Member
To (Amanaki) the physical world is nothing more than a reflection of (Amanaki`s) Consciousness and perception of what the consciousness experiences in each moment. (meaning the physical world is not real)
To others, the answer to what the physical world is will be different.

How do you perceive the physical realm/world in your understanding?

I just watched a really great video on this very topic:


In the video, the people in the audience giggle at the strangest points of commentary. Other than the giggles, it's a very interesting conjecture.
 
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