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This is Why Your God Will Condemn You Atheist Bashers to Hell

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
An open letter to atheist bashers.​

Dear Atheist Basher,

Let's get real. If there is a god, and if that god is (as you atheist bashers seem to believe) personally interested in your morals and values, then what possible grounds do you have to assume even for a nanosecond that god is going to want to spend eternity next to someone as hateful as you?

I mean, you not only figuratively froth at the mouth with hatred when bashing atheists, you so very often lie about atheists when you bash atheists. What are the odds your god is going to want you and your kind by their side?

If I was you, and I believed in the personal god you believe in, I would first beg that god to forgive me for being a hateful person, and then I would spend the rest of my life trying to appreciate and understand this world, their creation, rather than spend even one more minute condemning it.

I'm not BSing you: That is exactly what I would do if I believed in your god but had spent as many years as you have bashing atheists -- atheists and only your god knows how many other people and groups of people.

Oh by the way, if I believed in your god, I would expect to spend eternity in hell right alongside people who bash theists like you bash atheists. So, you might want to get to like theist bashers. Seems to me you're going to be spending a whole lot of time with them if you are right about your god. But it should not be too hard for you to get to like theist bashers. After all, you have so much in common with them.

Now I don't believe in your god, but if I did --- I sure as certain would not be bashing atheists -- and perhaps just about everyone else -- while expecting a pleasant reward for being hateful and (most often) deceptive.

Sincerely.

______________________
And now....

 

JJ50

Well-Known Member
False religious groups like the RCC and most protestants believe in something they call an "Immortal soul" even though the Scripture never uses that phrase or anything like it.
The idea is that anyone who doesn't believe as they do will spend all eternity burning in hell.
Therefore they must hate any group who would influence others and try to take their "immortal souls" to hell along with themselves.
What they fail to realize is that an "immortal soul" is a soul that doesn't die and therefore it doesn't need saving.

You see, death to these groups means suffering in hell fire for all eternity. And since an immortal soul is a deathless soul it could therefore not be said to die as these groups teach. If death means suffering, and everyone has an immortal/deathless soul, then no one will suffer.

So they go about trying to save souls from death that are deathless.:D

You have no evidence to support any of that unpleasant garbage!
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
False religious groups like the RCC and most protestants believe in something they call an "Immortal soul" even though the Scripture never uses that phrase or anything like it.
The idea is that anyone who doesn't believe as they do will spend all eternity burning in hell.
Therefore they must hate any group who would influence others and try to take their "immortal souls" to hell along with themselves.
What they fail to realize is that an "immortal soul" is a soul that doesn't die and therefore it doesn't need saving.

You see, death to these groups means suffering in hell fire for all eternity. And since an immortal soul is a deathless soul it could therefore not be said to die as these groups teach. If death means suffering, and everyone has an immortal/deathless soul, then no one will suffer.

So they go about trying to save souls from death that are deathless.:D


I rather like Matthew 7:1-5 in situations like this, it tells me who is not following the word
 

LightofTruth

Well-Known Member
I rather like Matthew 7:1-5 in situations like this, it tells me who is not following the word
Catholics and most protestants tell me I'm going to suffer for all eternity in hell because I haven't fallen for their nonsense.
They kick me off of their religious forums because I don't believe man was created with an immortal soul or that God is a Trinity.
Their number one essential belief in order to be saved from suffering forever is that God is a Trinity.
 

Phaedrus

Active Member
Most theists do not seem to comprehend their hateful attitudes toward non-believers as such. From what I have been able to understand, they view themselves as spreading love in the name of their god. And then they wonder why non-believers view their god as the villain.
 

LightofTruth

Well-Known Member
They might teach that sick garbage but have no evidence to support it. I was threatened with hell fire as a child!:mad::mad::mad: People who preach that evil nonsense have a screw loose, imo.
Perhaps you misunderstood my previous post (#2). I reject their teaching of an "immortal soul" and their idea of hell on the basis that it is contradictory in itself.
 

Mock Turtle

Oh my, did I say that!
Premium Member
I suspect that many atheists (me at least) couldn't give a fig what the religious think of us, and the sentiment is rather returned tenfold when such divisions exist within the religious fraternity. We are essentially just another amongst the mix - and possibly less hated. :D

We are not the cause of the divisions.
 

wellwisher

Well-Known Member
Another way to look at this is, God's laws are analogous to the laws nature in that they are part of natural creation and have a natural cause and affect. For example, based on the laws of gravity, if you jump off a large mountain you shall surely die. This is not a threat or value judgment. Nor is it mother nature being mean and heartless. Rather, it is a statement of fact based on natural laws that have been in existence since the universe began. It states common sense based on casual laws of nature.

This statement is not about mother earth being mean or cruel to humans by having formed gravity so as to spoil mountain jumping. Rather it is about willful humans thinking the rules need to be changed to accommodate their whims and desires, no matter how irrational. If these whims are not accommodated and gravity remains as it has always been, then the father in heaven is being mean. Does this sound familiar?

The term relative morality is connected to willfully changing the natural laws of humans nature, under the assumption any choice for natural law is as optimized as another. This opinion is based on will, choice and irrationality but not science. There is no scientific proof that relative morality is as valid. One can more easily prove the opposite, based on comparing resource requirements. Best will require least since this mimics nature.

If you are an atheist and believe in evolution, then every mutation or change is not selected via natural selection. There are optimized changes that go beyond your own personal preferences. If there is a mutation, and you like it, this does not means this is naturally optimized. It is not about mother nature being mean, because the dog cannot have five legs, like you prefer. Mutations in the operating system of the brain; connected to morality, have their own criteria for natural selection.
 

Cooky

Veteran Member
Perhaps you misunderstood my previous post (#2). I reject their teaching of an "immortal soul" and their idea of hell on the basis that it is contradictory in itself.

Oh, so your brand is the palatable one... So that's why you're here posting where you think you might gain support from Atheists, where a common vitriol for Catholocism might help draw Atheists into your version of Christianity.

...The premise is flawed.
 

Cooky

Veteran Member
Most theists do not seem to comprehend their hateful attitudes toward non-believers as such. From what I have been able to understand, they view themselves as spreading love in the name of their god. And then they wonder why non-believers view their god as the villain.

Most people are dumb.
 

Nimos

Well-Known Member
Let's get real. If there is a god, and if that god is (as you atheist bashers seem to believe) personally interested in your morals and values, then what possible grounds do you have to assume even for a nanosecond that god is going to want to spend eternity next to someone as hateful as you?
Because God do not like unbelievers :D

(2 Corinthians 6:14) Stop becoming unevenly yoked with unbelievers. What partnership can righteousness have with lawlessness? What fellowship can light have with darkness?

(John 3:18) Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe has already been condemned, because he has not believed in the name of God's unique Son.

2 John 1:9-11
9 Everyone who does not remain true to the teaching of the Messiah, but goes beyond it, does not have God. The person who remains true to the teaching of the Messiah has both the Father and the Son.
10 If anyone comes to you but does not present his teachings, do not receive him into your house or even welcome him,
11 because the one who welcomes him shares in his evil deeds.


Psalms 14:1
1 To the Director: A Davidic Psalm. Fools say to themselves, "There is no God." They are corrupt and commit evil deeds; not one of them practices what is good.


Revelation 21:8
8 But people who are cowardly, unfaithful, detestable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars will find themselves in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur. This is the second death."


Deuteronomy 13:6-10
6 "Your own blood brother, your son, your daughter, your beloved wife, or your friend who is like your soul mate quietly may entice you. He may tell you, 'Let's go and serve other gods,' (whom neither you nor your ancestors have known
7 from the gods of the people that surround you—whether near or far from you—from one end of the earth to the other).
8 You must not yield to him, listen to him, look with pity on him, show compassion to him, or even cover up for him.
9 But you must surely execute him. You must be the first to put him to death with your own hand, and then the hands of the whole community.
10 Stone him to death, because he sought to lure you from the LORD your God who brought you from the land of Egypt, from the land of slavery.

Deuteronomy 17:2-5
2 "You may discover that a man or woman living in one of your cities that the LORD your God is about to give you has done evil in the eyes of the LORD your God by transgressing his covenant.
3 He may be following and serving other gods by bowing down to them—that is, to the sun, the moon, or to any of the heavenly host (something I did not command).
4 When it is reported to you or you hear of it, then investigate it thoroughly. When the truth has been established that this detestable thing has been done in Israel,
5 summon the man or the woman who did this evil thing to your city gates. Then stone the man or the woman to death.


And the list go on :)

So all in all I don't think God have a huge problem with them bashing atheists and people of other religions. Remember God is all good, as long as you accept that everything he does is good. Which makes you wonder exactly what was meant in the creation story that Adam and Eve could now see the difference between them, clearly something didn't work as intended.
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
So all in all I don't think God have a huge problem with them bashing atheists and people of other religions.

So you actually think your god likes and enjoys hateful people who tell lies about other people? You think that is more likely to be the case than that the Biblical passages that seem to support that notion were written by hateful, lying men? Your god condones, likes, and embraces hatred and lies?

Have you really thought about this?
 

LightofTruth

Well-Known Member
Oh, so your brand is the palatable one... So that's why you're here posting where you think you might gain support from Atheists, where a common vitriol for Catholocism might help draw Atheists into your version of Christianity.

...The premise is flawed.
I'm not looking to gain support from anyone. I allow people to believe whatever they choose to believe. And I don't hate them for it.
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
Most theists do not seem to comprehend their hateful attitudes toward non-believers as such. From what I have been able to understand, they view themselves as spreading love in the name of their god. And then they wonder why non-believers view their god as the villain.
The world is a school, and some are in the kindergarten class.
 

Nimos

Well-Known Member
So you actually think your god likes and enjoys hateful people who tell lies about other people? You think that is more likely to be the case than that the Biblical passages that seem to support that notion were written by hateful, lying men? Your god condones, likes, and embraces hatred and lies?

Have you really thought about this?
First of all im an atheist, so if God exists Im pretty sure ill end up in some unpleasant place, on the other hand, living under the rule of God with the morals he is capable of, I would consider this just as bad... and remember that this is also for eternity. So my hope is that God doesn't exist and I can rest in peace when the time comes, as again neither of the solutions seems good to me :)

My point was that in light of the bible and God, there doesn't seem to be any especial reason to believe that theists bashing unbelievers or those of other religions, is something that concerns God. Looking at the passages, God have no issue condemning people to death for simply believing differently, so why would he be concerned about those simply bashing atheists?

And as an atheist, I find God immoral, hateful, childish and a monster. Which is neither good, all knowing or all powerful... Which clearly demonstrate to me that he is man made and not a God as believers claim he is. He is simply to incompetent to be a God, if he is said to have such characteristics.
 

74x12

Well-Known Member
An open letter to atheist bashers.​

Dear Atheist Basher,

Let's get real. If there is a god, and if that god is (as you atheist bashers seem to believe) personally interested in your morals and values, then what possible grounds do you have to assume even for a nanosecond that god is going to want to spend eternity next to someone as hateful as you?

I mean, you not only figuratively froth at the mouth with hatred when bashing atheists, you so very often lie about atheists when you bash atheists. What are the odds your god is going to want you and your kind by their side?

If I was you, and I believed in the personal god you believe in, I would first beg that god to forgive me for being a hateful person, and then I would spend the rest of my life trying to appreciate and understand this world, their creation, rather than spend even one more minute condemning it.

I'm not BSing you: That is exactly what I would do if I believed in your god but had spent as many years as you have bashing atheists -- atheists and only your god knows how many other people and groups of people.

Oh by the way, if I believed in your god, I would expect to spend eternity in hell right alongside people who bash theists like you bash atheists. So, you might want to get to like theist bashers. Seems to me you're going to be spending a whole lot of time with them if you are right about your god. But it should not be too hard for you to get to like theist bashers. After all, you have so much in common with them.

Now I don't believe in your god, but if I did --- I sure as certain would not be bashing atheists -- and perhaps just about everyone else -- while expecting a pleasant reward for being hateful and (most often) deceptive.

Sincerely.

______________________
And now....

I agree with you that hatred is wrong and if someone is hating atheists then I agree it's a sin. I think you should define "atheist basher" though. I believe many sincere Christians might think a lot of people are going to hell but not actually hate those people. In fact they don't want them to go to hell.
 
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