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God and homosexuality.
- Thread starter leov
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I don't spend time fantasizing about made-up places fools conjured up from their own nightmares or sadistic day dreams.
If there is a hell it might well be you screaming for your mother. If god, should it exist and takes exception to you dragging the faith through the sewer as you do.
SkepticThinker
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You still need to work on your humanity. Your views on your fellow human beings are vile and demeaning. Jesus didn't treat people like that. Apparently I'm a better Christian than you are.
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
Good thing it's a place that only exists in your mind. In other words, its bs.
Every decent person whether they are a believer or not is a better Christian than he is.You still need to work on your humanity. Your views on your fellow human beings are vile and demeaning. Jesus didn't treat people like that. Apparently I'm a better Christian than you are.
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
What a ridiculous argument.
If everyone on earth was a woman, the human race would die out. Left to themselves, the human race would die out in one generation.
If everyone on earth was a man, the human race would die out. Left to themselves, the human race would die out in one generartion.
That's how silly your point is.
Spartan
Well-Known Member
Two men can't make a baby. DUH.
Spartan
Well-Known Member
Flush. I don't buy into your anti-God nonsense.
As I have said a number of times, the way you display your take on faith is extremely unpleasant and off putting to anyone who might be interested in Christianity.
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
Uh yeah. That's what I said.
You apparently need to read that over again. You didn't get it.
Spartan
Well-Known Member
"Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist--denying the Father and the Son." - 1 John 2:22
It's when an antichrist would speak well of me - that's when I would worry.
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Moz
Religion. A pox on all their Houses.
Transexualism used to rightly be called a disorder but now it has been watered down to a dysphoria. The Neurological and genetics stuff is being rewritten as we speak and all the biological stuff is being disguarded. The newer neurological studies are being used to show that there is little to no fundamental difference between the male and female brain. Very soon the official landscape will change and your claim of attraction to "male and female" will be explained away as you being deluded into this thinking by the hetoropatriarchy. Very few of the identifications below are tied to any biology. It is ALL about FEELINGS! I think it is you who needs to be educated as to where the ideology that you expouse leads too.
Heterosexual- The attraction to a gender different from their own (commonly used to describe someone who is gender binary [female or male] attracted to the other binary gender).
Homosexual- The attraction to a gender the same as their own (commonly used to describe someone who is gender binary [female or male] attracted to the same binary gender). Sometimess referred to as gay.
Lesbian- Women who are attracted only to other women
Bisexual- When you are attracted to two or more genders. This term is generally used to describe being attracted to men and women, but can apply to being attracted to any two or more genders. Note that you do not have to be equally attracted to each gender.
Pansexual- When you are attracted to all genders and/or do not concern gender when you are attracted towards someone
Bicurious- People who are open to experiment with genders that are not only their own, but do not know if they are open to forming any sort of relationship with multiple genders.
Polysexual- When you are attracted to many genders
Monosexual- Being attracted to only one gender
Allosexual- When you are not asexual (attracted to at least one gender)
Androsexual- Being attracted to masculine gender presentation
Gynosexual- Being attracted to feminine gender presentation
Questioning- People who are debating their own sexuality/gender
Asexual- Not experiencing sexual attraction (note that you can also be aromantic and you do not necessarily have to be asexual and aromantic at the same time). Sometimes the term, ace, is used to describe asexuals.
Demisexual- When you only experience sexual attraction after forming a strong emotional bond first or a romantic bond
Grey Asexual- When you only experience attraction rarely, on a very low scale, or only under certain circumstances
Perioriented- When your sexual and romantic orientation targets the same gender (for example being heteromantic and heterosexual or being biromantic and bisexual)
Varioriented- When your sexual and romantic orientations do not target the same set of genders (for example being heteromantic and bisexual or being homoromantic and pansexual)
Heteronormative- The belief that hetersexuality is the norm and that sex, gender, sexuality, and gender roles all align
Erasure- Ignoring the existance of genders and sexualities in the middle of the spectrum
Cishet- Someone who is both cisgendered and heterosexual. This is sometimes used as a slur.
Polyamorous- An umbrella term referring to people who have or are open to have consensually have relationships with multiple people at the same time
Monoamorous- People who have or or open to have relationships with only one other person at a time. The term, monogamous, is also sometimes used.
Queer- A reclaimed slur for anybody in the LGBT+ community or who do not identify as cisgender and/or hetersexual/heteromantic
Ally- A supporter of the LGBT+ community that does not identify as LGBT+
GENDER & SEX
Sex- Your assigned gender at birth and/or the gender of your reproductive organs
Gender- Where you feel that you personally fall on the spectrum between male and female. Commonly people identify as male or female, but some fall in the middle or move throughout the spectrum.
Cisgender- When you identify with the gender you were assigned at birth
Transgender- When you identify with a gender different than that you were assigned at birth
Transsexual- When you have had Gender Reassignment Surgery (GRS) to change the sexual organs you were born with to that of a different gender.
*note that you will sometimes see an astrid after Trans (Trans*) which is meant to include both transgendered and transsexual individuals
Male to Female (MtF)- When somebody that is assigned as a male at birth identifies as a female
Female to Male (FtM)- When somebody that is assigned as a female at birth identifies as a male
Binary- The genders at each end of the gender spectrum (male and female)
Non-Binary- An umbrella term for genders that fall somewhere in the middle of the gender spectrum and are neither strictly male or female. This can be used as a gender identification without further explanation. Sometimes the term, genderqueer, is used.
Genderfluid- Moving between genders or having a fluctuating gender identity
Agender- Not identifying with any gender. Sometimes referred to as being genderless or gendervoid
Bigender- Identifying as two genders, commonly (but not exclusively) male and female. Sometimes you feel like both genders at the same time and sometimes you fluctuate.
Polygender- When you identify with multiple genders at once. Sometimes referred to as multigender.
Neutrois- When you identify as agender, neither male nor female, and/or genderless
Gender Apathetic- When you really do not identify nor care about any particular gender. You are fine passing off as whatever and you really do not have an opinion towards your own gender.
Androgyne- This term overlaps a lot between gender identification and presentation. It can be used to describe others and as an identification. This term is used to describe people who are neither male nor female or are both male and female. Basically anyone who does not fit into a binary gender category.
Intergender- Somebody who's gender is somewhere between male and female
Demigender- When you feel as if you are one part a defined gender and one or more parts an undefined gender. Terms can include demigirl, demiboy, demiagender, ect.
Greygender- Somebody with a weak gender identification of themselves
Aporagender- Somebody with a strong gender identification of themselves that is non-binary
Maverique- A non-binary gender that exists outside of the orthodox social bounds of gender
Novigender- A gender that is super complex and impossible to describe in a single term
Designated gender- A gender assigned at birth based on an individuals sex and/or what gender society percieves a person to be
AFAB- Assigned Female At Birth
AMAB- Assigned Male At Birth
Gender roles- Certain behaviors an activities expected/considered acceptable of people in a particular society based upon their designated gender
Gender Presentation- The gender you present yourself to others. This is sometimes referred to as gender expression
Transitioning- The process of using medical means to change your sex
Intersex- A biological difference in sex that is when people are born with genitals, gonads, and/or chromosomes that do not match up exactly with male or female. Intersex individuals can have any romantic/sexual orientation and can have any gender identification. Intersex individuals are about as common as redheads.
Dyadic- Someone who is not intersex and when their gentinals, gonads, and chromosomes can all match into either a male or female category
Trans Woman- Someone who is assigned as a male at birth, but identifies as a woman
Trans Man- Someone who is assigned as a female at birth, but identifies as a man
Trans Feminine- Someone who identifies as feminine, but identifies as neither a man nor a woman. They must also be assigned male at birth.
Trans Masculine- Someone who identifies as masculine, but identifies as neither a man nor a woman. They must also be assigned female at birth.
Social Dysphoria- Discomfort experienced when acting in ways socially different than your gender or being addressed in ways different to your gender
Body Dysphoria- Discomfort experienced because of the difference between gender and your sex, role, or gender expression
Butch- A term used to describe someone who's gender expression is more masculine than feminine. This is commonly used in describing women or lesbians.
Femme (Fem)- A term used to describe someone who's gender expression is more feminine than masculine. This is commonly used in describing women or lesbians.
Binarism- Putting gender strictly into two categories (male and female) and refusing to acknowledge genders outside of male and female.
Above is the sexual landscape that has evolved from the attack on human sexuality led by the lgttqifu activists. What are the biological standards that any of these people claim as justification for the "disorder"?
Just take this an an example..... Homosexual- The attraction to a gender the same as their own (commonly used to describe someone who is gender binary [female or male] attracted to the same binary gender).If there are an unlimited number of genders then isn't this definition now obsolete. Would you not be guilty of misgendering a person if you just judge their outward appearance. Will we all need to wear labels to show what gender we are at any particular time?
I get that you personally have had a complicated time of it. But the idea that .002% of the population with a disorder should have a bearing on the way human society functions is absolutely ridiculous. The abandonment of the male female paradigm as the basis for human interactions is wrong. Fundamentally wrong. Intrinsically wrong.
Transsexualism is a medical disorder, hence why it's treated with medical means - hormones and surgery. It's not a psychiatric disorder, though.
You'll have to provide some evidence for your radical claim that there's no sex differences between male and female brains. Usually only radical feminists make those claims, as they tend to believe in disproven blank slate nonsense.
Neuroscience of sex differences - Wikipedia
The Gendered Brain: why boys will be boys and girls will be girls
I'm not interested in the rest of that. There's loons and nonsense in all communities. Not sure why you think it has something to do with me or something I agree with. Stop lumping me in with that.
Moz
Religion. A pox on all their Houses.
You know what... i wrote a whole post and deleted it. I really don't want to upset or demean or hurt or judge you on such a personal thing. i can only try to imagine what i would be in your place and the concept is frightening enough without the reality.
That being said, i think that it is psychological, possibly triggered by biology, and that treatment by surgery and hormones is surrendering to the enemy instead of fighting him. If that works on a personal level then more power to you but it is crappy advice for others.
So, why do people like you feel the need and entitlement to make it worse?
Why do you even care about this?
Why can't you just mind your own business, and treat the people around you with respect and charity even if they're odd?
What's ludicrous is your assertion that "the way society functions" is in danger. It's not!
The huge majority of people are cis-het, the majority of the rest are cis, and the tiny number of people who are something else don't constitute a danger to anything important.
That whole long post of yours is clinical terminology concerning a tiny number of people. Nobody has to wear a darn label, because nobody has an interest in your orientation/gender/sexual issues.
Frankly, as a group, I find queer people generally annoying. But less so than the overtly religionists. And there's a lot more religionists to annoy me, and they are more likely to actually do harm to me.
That isn't the basis for human interactions in the modern secular world. Personhood is the basis. To qualify as a decent person all you have to do is treat everyone with respect and charity. Everyone, even queer people.
What's fundamentally, intrinsically, wrong is this. Treating people badly. Lacking basic respect for their personhood. Bigotry. I don't care what irrational reasons you use to justify that. You could appeal to religion or Nazism or Communism or Darwinism..... I don't care why you're behaving badly. You are behaving badly.
You need to fix yourself before you go trying to fix the rest of us.
Tom
Moz
Religion. A pox on all their Houses.
So, why do people like you feel the need and entitlement to make it worse?
Why do you even care about this?
Why can't you just mind your own business, and treat the people around you with respect and charity even if they're odd?
I care about it because it killed my nephew. What was obviously a mental disorder was buttressed by the arseholes who continually told him that he was normal and it was the rest of society that was out of kilter.
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What's ludicrous is your assertion that "the way society functions" is in danger. It's not!
If you think that the radical reordering of the sexual landscape does not contain any possible dangers then you are very very foolish indeed.
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The huge majority of people are cis-het, the majority of the rest are cis, and the tiny number of people who are something else don't constitute a danger to anything important.
That whole long post of yours is clinical terminology concerning a tiny number of people. Nobody has to wear a darn label, because nobody has an interest in your orientation/gender/sexual issues.
There are already countries in the world who are putting in place compelled speech legislation to enforce certain pronoun usage. The long list are NOT clinical definitions they are how some "self Identify" and that becomes a new gender that you MUST respect. It is not the .002% who are the problem it is the radical leftist lobby that has hijacked their issue to use in their attack on the so called heteropatiarchy . Your reference to "PERSONHOOD" shows that the campaign is gaining ground. OMNIGENDER is the goal to which they are driving and they are cynically using the trans community to try to prove that biology is not the basis of human sexuality and that is DANGEROUS.
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That isn't the basis for human interactions in the modern secular world. Personhood is the basis.
See, you seem to be buying into the hype. There is the danger. We are not some homogeneous lump. We are male and female, young and old, left and right, rich and poor, smart and dumb, normal and abnormal.
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You accuse me of bigotry because i do not agree with the idea that these "odd" (as you called them) people are somehow a valid expression of normal human sexuality. There are still many many mental health professionals who do not agree with the thinking that this stuff is all just who really are on the inside. Just because the PC lobby has gotten the condition downgraded from mental disorder to dysphoria does not mean that they are right.
But you seem to be a thinking compassionate type so you tell me.... are there really 60+ different genders... really.
Do i have to accept that just because someone makes up a concept and calls themselves, Maverique- A non-binary gender that exists outside of the orthodox social bounds of gender, that this is valid and not the result of a disordered mind. Is it bigoted to believe that this sort of feeling is obviously a mental impairment rather than to believe that human sexuality is a non-binary smorgasbord and that we have had it wrong for the last 5000 years.
The emotional, unthinking support for the "feelings" of people is what the opposition relies on label anyone with a different opinion as a bigot or intolerant. If it turns out that this stuff really is predominately a mental disorder exacerbated by societal pressures and not an intrinsic unalterable natural expression of how they really are then how much damage is being done in the rush to make everything feel equitable.
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Recently i was attacked on these pages for daring to speculate that people like Miley Cyrus are an example of people jumping on the gay bandwagon without really thinking it through. It seemed pretty obvious to me that she was just playing with sexuality and queer culture because it was the "in thing" at the moment. Man the crap that was thrown at me by you virtue signaling, tolerant, empathetic lot. How dare i judge her! Bigot bigot bigot! Here is what that example of sexual diversity and free choice had to say yesterday....."I know," Cyrus said. "I always thought I had to be gay 'cause I just thought, like, all guys were evil, but it’s not true. There are good people out there that just happen to have (penises). It seems that feminist bias and NOT some natural attraction to females was the impetus for the lifestyle choice. That is mentally disordered thinking. How many others are in that boat i wonder. Is that bigoted?
Moz
Religion. A pox on all their Houses.
Cool.
I just wanted to clarify the brain stuff.
The majority of studies do show substantial difference between male and female brains. More recent studies of babies have shown that many of these differences are not present or as pronounced in the infant brain. The gender theorists are using this to discredit the previous studies arguing that it is the cultural pressure to adopt gender roles corresponding to biological birth assignment that causes these major differences to manifest as the brain develops. Gina Rippon is probably the loudest of these theorists but she is by no means a lone voice. The problem is that most of this stuff is a grey area at the moment (pardon the pun) so it is all a battle of ideology not science. The neutral brain lobby is by no means ascendant at the moment, but they are the majority in some key positions in the humanities and that is a powerful position from which to push their rubbish. They will win the fight eventually because they are playing on the field of opposing the oppression of those that "feel" they have been had gender roles imposed on them by an unjust society.
Spartan
Well-Known Member
Gays don't just want respect, they also want society to celebrate their sin. And, they want people who disagree with their sinful lifestyle silenced.
In addition, they surely don't want anyone - even God in his Word - to warn them that unless they repent and turn from their sin, that they will wind up in the Lake of Fire (Rev. 21:8, etc.).