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Catholic church Sun Gods

Riders

Well-Known Member
The thing of it is with Christians denying Christianity being linked to Paganism how can they deny the Catholic link. This video shows Sun God statues all over a Catholic cathedral. The Christian faith is linked to Catholicism because it was the first church therefore Christianity is Pagan.

How can you deny this video?
 

Saint Frankenstein

Wanderer From Afar
Premium Member
Actually, Catholicism and Orthodoxy weren't separate things until the 1054 schism. So the Church before then was just as much Orthodox as Catholic as they were in communion with each other.
 

1213

Well-Known Member
...he Christian faith is linked to Catholicism because it was the first church therefore Christianity is Pagan.
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Christian meant originally a disciple of Jesus. And disciples of Jesus are people who remain in the teachings of Jesus. So, I think the idea that Catholicism is original Christianity, is absurd and totally wrong.

When he found him, he brought him to Antioch, and for a whole year they were guests of the church and taught a large crowd. It was in Antioch that the disciples were first called Christians.
Acts 11:26

"If you remain in my word, then you are truly my disciples. You will know the truth, and the truth will make you free."
John 8:31-32

Catholics are not really very faithful to Jesus, that is why I have difficulties to think they are Christian (disciples of Jesus).
 

Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
How can you deny this video?

There is no denying it. Sun worship is seen all through Roman Catholic imagery.

Here is further evidence....

There is a Babylonian sun wheel in St. Peter's Square. In the middle is an obelisk which was transported by the Church from Egypt and is a symbol of the sun god Ra.

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Even the shape of the wafer...

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and the Monstrance
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All based on sun worship.

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The nimbus (halo) is a relic of sun worship.

Madonna and child is not the imagery promoted in the Bible....but it is seen in pagan religions centuries before the church adopted it.

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This is pure idolatry.

Consider that Roman Catholicism is the foundation of Christendom. When the Protestant Reformation took place, those who broke away from the Catholic Church took a lot of her erroneous, pagan inspired doctrines with them....the trinity.....immortality of the soul....hellfire, to name a few.

To mistake Christendom for the Christianity that Jesus taught is foolish. It is not difficult to do some research. Those who are sincere in their desire to please God must act to remove themselves from what Jesus calls "Babylon the great" (Revelation 18:4-5)....which is all worship whose beliefs and practices originated in ancient Babylon, as opposed to the pure truth that Jesus taught. His warning is clear.
 
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JJ50

Well-Known Member
In my opinion, the Catholic dogma is a load of superstitious garbage with nothing to support it. This of course has lead to a lot of terrible abuse over the centuries.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Catholics are not really very faithful to Jesus, that is why I have difficulties to think they are Christian (disciples of Jesus).
Really? And exactly how do you supposedly know this?
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
The thing of it is with Christians denying Christianity being linked to Paganism how can they deny the Catholic link. This video shows Sun God statues all over a Catholic cathedral. The Christian faith is linked to Catholicism because it was the first church therefore Christianity is Pagan.

How can you deny this video?
We simply do not and never have worshiped the sun. The use of "sun" and "light" are used symbolically within the Christian scriptures.
 

1213

Well-Known Member
Really? And exactly how do you supposedly know this?

They have replaced teachings of Jesus with their own doctrines of men. And I especially speak of the leaders of them. I believe there are many Catholics that are probably faithful to Jesus, even if they are in some matters misled.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
They have replaced teachings of Jesus with their own doctrines of men. And I especially speak of the leaders of them. I believe there are many Catholics that are probably faithful to Jesus, even if they are in some matters misled.
The above is nothing short of bigoted ignorance. All denominations try and interpret and apply what they believe to be true, and no denomination is an exact replica of the early Church-- nor should it be because times and conditions change, thus adjustments needed to periodically be made.

Your "my-church-is-right-yours-is-wrong"-approach is something that should be beneath your dignity. It's a "religious" variation of "my daddy is bigger than your daddy". I don't play that game simply because I'm quite ecumenical and not a religious bigot, and that is at least partially due to the fact that I have studied various religions and denominations in detail as I used to teach a comparative religions course, also a "Lunch & Learn" course at my former synagogue that I taught for roughly 12 years, and also an adult conversion course at my local Catholic church that I've done for 15 years now.

Maybe do some studying first, and then maybe come back and we can have a serious conversation.

And my daddy IS bigger than your daddy! :p
 

littleme

Member
The Catholic church seems to be the very much to the fore concerning sexual abuse, although other denominations have that problem as well, but don't seek to cover it up in the way that church seems to have done.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
The Catholic church seems to be the very much to the fore concerning sexual abuse, although other denominations have that problem as well, but don't seek to cover it up in the way that church seems to have done.
There's absolutely no doubt whatsoever that the Church hierarchy did not respond to this appropriately, nor timely, and that's on them. Fortunately, there has been significant progress on dealing with this much more appropriately, and there has been a very sharp reduction in clergy being indicted and accused.

At most of the masses I've gone to over the last two years (I attend weekly), Father has stated that any suspicion of abuse must be reported, not only to the Church itself but also the civil authorities. The Pope has also stated that any clergy that is convicted of any form of abuse will be defrocked and that any church member who knows of abuse but fails to report it will be turned over to the civil authorities as well for investigation.

BTW, not to excuse the Church's terrible reaction, one of the things that almost all organizations do it to try and protect itself. The fundamentalist Protestant church I grew up in had a couple of scandals as well, one of them being an associate pastor who was "playing" the teen girls (the details were never disclosed to us), who's contract didn't get renewed, and yet none of that even made it into the local papers, let alone the national ones. IOW, being BIG has its advantages, but also its disadvantages.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Do you consider Jesus to be G-d, in Catholicism?
Depends-- although I don't wear them.

Is Jesus God the Father? Clearly not. So, if not, exactly what is the connection? The CC's belief is that Jesus is of God-- what the Greeks called "essence". Now is that entirely correct? How could I possibly know?

In short, the history of the formation of the Trinitarian doctrine was quite long and very contentious.

How about you?
 

1213

Well-Known Member
The above is nothing short of bigoted ignorance. All denominations try and interpret and apply what they believe to be true, and no denomination is an exact replica of the early Church-- nor should it be because times and conditions change, thus adjustments needed to periodically be made.

Can you give one example of adjustment that had to be done to the teachings of Jesus? And why it had to be done?

Your "my-church-is-right-yours-is-wrong"-approach is something that should be beneath your dignity. …

Actually, I think all churches are equally bad. It is not just Catholic church that is not faithful to Jesus, in their doctrine.

And my daddy IS bigger than your daddy! :p

I don’t know your daddy. :)
 

Desert Snake

Veteran Member
Is Jesus God the Father? Clearly not. So, if not, exactly what is the connection? The CC's belief is that Jesus is of God-- what the Greeks called "essence". Now is that entirely correct? How could I possibly know?

In short, the history of the formation of the Trinitarian doctrine was quite long and very contentious.

How about you?

Jesus is G-d, is how I would say that. That is why I asked the question, because I'm not sure how you would say that, in your estimation of Catholicism. ie the question could be a language thing, a theological thing, or both.
 

Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
I am not denying other doctrines have their problems with sexual abuse, the JWs have tried to cover it up as well.

It wasn't 'covering it up' like we see in the Catholic church. All organizations had this problem because pedophiles infiltrate any organization to gain access to children. For the Catholic church, in the case of many priests, a reason to enter the priesthood was to gain access to children who, if they were in Catholic institutions had no one to turn to for help. It was the perfect cover for these rock spiders....their victims had no voice.

Biblically speaking, it requires 2-3 witnesses to prove that a crime had been committed. For pedophilia that was nigh on to impossible as there were usually no witnesses and children in those days were not regarded as credible anyway. Our congregation elders are not the police and parents who felt that a crime had been committed could report it to the authorities.

Having said that, in decades past the legal system had an adversarial approach to this crime that often meant the victim having to face the offender in court. Defense lawyers were brutal in their cross examination and the victims were often more traumatized by the court case than the original offense. If it was a minor offense, (not involving rape) some just didn't feel as if it was worth subjecting their children to that.

Only in later decades was child abuse recognized as a real crime.....for a couple of reasons. Firstly it was only acknowledged in recent decades that it caused severe psychological trauma to the victims. And, it was not seen as a real crime because the judges in in those times were male and did not really acknowledge that it could be that serious. These days all that has changed, thank goodness.

Multiple Personality Disorder is now recognized as not just a mental aberration, but was usually caused by extreme abuse of a very young child.

To be fair, there are cover ups, and there are reasons why some chose not to act on the reports.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Can you give one example of adjustment that had to be done to the teachings of Jesus? And why it had to be done?
I didn't say "teachings of Jesus".

Actually, I think all churches are equally bad. It is not just Catholic church that is not faithful to Jesus, in their doctrine.
So, even though "church" (i.e. assembly) is mentioned over 100 times in the NT, you don't attend any?

Also, stereotyping others and being so judgmental is what we are taught by the scriptures and the Church not to do.
 
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