Ambassador Taylor Testimony

Jose Fly · Oct 23, 2019

Ouroboros said:
What I fear is that the information we get from the closed hearings could be filtered. Taylor might have said other things that mitigated what we've heard, but we don't know since we don't have the full transcripts, if I'm not mistaken. Also, he tells it from his point of view anyway and how he interpreted the information he got, and I'm not sure he was part of the inner circle for these things, so in the end, there's a risk things could be somewhat exaggerated or even misunderstood. With that said, it wouldn't surprise me he's right.

We'll get all that info eventually. Remember, we're still in the impeachment investigation phase. The actual "impeachment hearings" haven't started yet.

The irony there is, by declining to conduct a DoJ investigation, Trump's AG Bill Barr likely screwed up. He could have taken the initial information and WB complaint, started an investigation, conducted it out of sight, and eventually concluded that nothing improper had been done. But instead he tried to protect Trump by hiding the WB complaint and refusing to initiate a DoJ investigation. So now it falls on Democrat-led House to carry out the investigative phase, which is obviously what Team Trump doesn't want.

Oops.

sun rise · Oct 23, 2019

Jollybear said:
Why dont the american people not have a right to know about biden who will potentially be there president?

Im not ignoring anything, your ignoring this very important issue here.

Just because Trump's sons corruptly use Trump's power to promote their own and his financial interests, it does not mean that the children of a President's actions reflect on the President.

This is typical right-wing propaganda to try to distract from Trump's high crimes and misdemeanors. Only the cowardice and corruption of Senate Republican can save Trump now.

Ouroboros · Oct 23, 2019

Another thing in the news, Trump sought to reduce the corruption investigations in Ukraine.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/us-p...ams-aimed-fighting-corruption-ukraine-abroad/

How does that fit with his narrative of fighting corruption?

Jose Fly · Oct 23, 2019

Ouroboros said:
Another thing in the news, Trump sought to reduce the corruption investigations in Ukraine.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/us-p...ams-aimed-fighting-corruption-ukraine-abroad/

How does that fit with his narrative of fighting corruption?

Give it time. Team Trump will move on to another talking point....."Bill Taylor was put in detention in the 4th grade!!!111!!".....or something.

Ponder This · Oct 23, 2019

Prometheus85 said:
Well, Trump defenders: You can’t claim Bill Taylor is lying. (He’s a career diplomat, appointed by Trump admin. & backed up by texts). And you can’t say with any shred of credibility that it’s no big deal to condition foreign aid on delivery of political dirt.

So: what now?

Are you aware that those same closed door depositions conducted by the Democrats revealed that Ukraine got what it wanted (military aid, meeting with Bolton) without there being an investigation into the Bidens?

What now? What now indeed!

Prometheus85 · Oct 23, 2019

Ponder This said:
Are you aware that those same closed door depositions conducted by the Democrats revealed that Ukraine got what it wanted (military aid, meeting with Bolton) without there being an investigation into the Bidens?

What now? What now indeed!

so you’re just gonna ignore all the facts is this case huh?

Shad · Oct 23, 2019

Prometheus85 said:
This statement is just panicky word vomit.

Confirmed: Bill Taylor’s opening statement was 15 pages long and led many in the room listening to his testimony to sigh and gasp as he described efforts to tie an investigation of the 2016 election interference to a White House meeting and aid being released to Ukraine.

You didn't read the statement did you? It was filled with I believe, I heard, I think. That is an opinion and hearsay. More so Sondland is needed to corroborate the testimony which he has yet to do.

A bunch of Dems sighing and gasping is for show. Does not mean anything to me.

Again Obama withheld aid from Egypt for reasons that have nothing to do with the aid itself. Biden and Ukraine. Why no charges recommended by Congress against Obama and Biden if it is a crime?

Prometheus85 · Oct 23, 2019

Shad said:
You didn't read the statement did you? It was filled with I believe, I heard, I think. That is an opinion and hearsay. More so Sondland is needed to corroborate the testimony which he has yet to do.

A bunch of Dems sighing and gasping is for show. Does not mean anything to me.

Again Obama withheld aid from Egypt for reasons that have nothing to do with the aid itself. Biden and Ukraine Why not charges recommended by Congress against Obama and Biden.

You’re another one that continues to be willfully ignorant.

There is no evidence Hunter Biden was ever under investigation. The investigation was into the business dealings of the owner of a Ukrainian natural gas company, Burisma Holdings, where Hunter Biden sat on the board of directors. In addition, a former Ukrainian deputy prosecutor and top anti-corruption activist have said the investigation was dormant at the time. And chief prosecutor Viktor Shokin's successor, Yuriy Lutsenko, has said in interviews this year that Hunter Biden didn't violate any Ukrainian laws.

Hey! genius. Obama didn't illegally hold back the aid so that Egypt investigates his political opponents and break the law.. But don't let little details like this get in your way or anything.

People who admitted Trump used Ukraine aid to force investigations to help Trump in 2020:
Rudy Giuliani
Bill Taylor
Gordon Sondland
Mick Mulvaney
Donald Trump

The "transcript" told us that Trump did it. Those around him tell us he meant it. When will you accept it?

Shad · Oct 23, 2019

Prometheus85 said:
You’re another one that continues to be willfully ignorant.

Assertion only made to avoid making an argument

There is no evidence Hunter Biden was ever under investigation.

Never said such

The investigation was into the business dealings of the owner of a Ukrainian natural gas company, Burisma Holdings, where Hunter Biden sat on the board of directors.

Which he was not qualified to fill yet got his job when his daddy was working in the nation

In addition, a former Ukrainian deputy prosecutor and top anti-corruption activist have said the investigation was dormant at the time. And chief prosecutor Viktor Shokin's successor, Yuriy Lutsenko, has said in interviews this year that Hunter Biden didn't violate any Ukrainian laws.

And the one that was fired said he was fired due to the Biden's corruption.

Hey! genius. Obama didn't illegally hold back the aid so that Egypt investigates his political opponents and break the law.. But don't let little details like this get in your way or anything.

He held back aid that was unrelated to the reasons and goals of the aid just like Biden's gaff.

Trump withheld aid due to investigation into corruption (Biden's claim) and election meddling. You believe Biden with no evidence but do not believe Trump.

People who admitted Trump used Ukraine aid to force investigations to help Trump in 2020:
Rudy Giuliani

No he didn't.

Bill Taylor

Opinion and not involved at all

Gordon Sondland

No Sondland said it was due to corruption and 2016 election meddling. More so he said it wasn't illegal

Mick Mulvaney

Wrong. He said it was due to election meddling. More so he said it wasn't illegal. You didn't read his statements.

Donald Trump

He never said that

The "transcript" told us that Trump did it.

No it didn't. More so the leader of Ukraine denied any threat about foreign aid being withheld.

Those around him tell us he meant it. When will you accept it?

You couldn't even get their statements right. Try again.

Jollybear · Oct 23, 2019

sun rise said:
Just because Trump's sons corruptly use Trump's power to promote their own and his financial interests, it does not mean that the children of a President's actions reflect on the President.

And i totally agree with you on that line!

This is typical right-wing propaganda to try to distract from Trump's high crimes and misdemeanors. Only the cowardice and corruption of Senate Republican can save Trump now.

And this is where i disagree.

This isnt just about bidens son. This is about biden himself. Biden has already been proven to lie. He said he didnt talk to his son about the gas company. His son said he did. Thus, biden lied.

Now, shoktin, the prosecuter biden got ukrain to fire, he said he was investigating bidens son as well as the gas company. Biden denies that shoktin was investigating his son. Is biden lying or is shoktin?

Thats important and the american people have a RIGHT to know the truth on this line.

So, ill ask you again, why dont the american people have a right to know about this?

Jollybear · Oct 23, 2019

Ouroboros said:
And why don't the American people have the right to know about Trump, who might potentially be our president?

Isn't it important issue to know if Trump is corrupt?

Maybe we should ask Iran or China to investigate Trump? Maybe Biden should ask them?

Besides, my understanding is that Biden is being investigated by the DoJ. Just not by the President. He's not an investigator and he has a conflict of interest, therefore, proper authority that's created for the purpose is doing the job they're supposed to do, so the president can do the job he was supposed to do.

Yes, we have a right to know both ways. But, theres a point it looks like a "witch hunt". And thats wrong.

Jollybear · Oct 23, 2019

Windwalker said:
We do have a right to know whether any possible POTUS is criminal (which is why Trump is being investigated). The whole Binden accusation been thoroughly investigated and found to be a baseless conspiracy theory.

Oh now we dont know about that. Biden lied about talking to his son about the gas company. Shoktin said he was investigating bidens son. Biden denies. Whos lying? That should be looked into. Dont act like your a know it all.

Think of Creationism vs. the Theory of Evolution as a fair comparison.

Actually creation vs evolution holds no comparison to this subject about trump and biden. So, that isnt going to work with me at all.

They already have the answer, but it's not good enough for them. They won't believe anything that doesn't fit their theologies.

First off, this whole creation/evolution holds no comparison to trump/biden subject. And secondly, the whole creation is debunked and evolution is proven, that also is not true.

And thats also why you brinking it up is ridiculous.

Subduction Zone · Oct 23, 2019

Jollybear said:
Wait a second, its obstruction of justice to stop a president from having investigated potential corruption into a political candidate?

It sounds to me that to STOP such an investigation would be obstruction of justice. Your tipping it upside down.

Another thing is that every political candidate exposes flaws in the others. But, it so happens in this case, trumps case, when he does it, its bad?

Another thing, the democrats are pushing a double standard. Its bad for trump, but good for biden.

Another double standard is the double standard in the 2016 election. Where hillery gets help from ukraine against trump. Ukrainian efforts to sabotage Trump backfire

The real obstruction is within the communist democrats. They are a threat to everything good.

You know so little of the law. No, it is not obstruction of justice to stop an illegal investigation.

Name one double standard. Don't bring up Biden's use of foreign aid since that has been refuted to Hell and back. Try to find a claim that you can support.

Subduction Zone · Oct 23, 2019

Jollybear said:
Yes, we have a right to know both ways. But, theres a point it looks like a "witch hunt". And thats wrong.

What makes you think that this is a witch hunt? You have a tendency to eat whatever slop Trump dishes out to you.

blü 2 · Oct 24, 2019

Jollybear said:
Because its not theres to sell.

I dont understand where your going?

I'm pointing out the gross impropriety of using public office for personal advantage.

metis · Oct 24, 2019

Notice how the Trump talking points has switched from not countering the fact that he threatened a quid pro quo but to the process of impeachment "behind closed doors!", which is actually where most depositions are held? Of course when the Pubs were "investigating" Benghazi, then that was quite OK with them then. Their utter hypocrisy is astounding.

BTW, did anyone notice the Pubs storming the secured room whereas many had their cell phones out in violation of the law? Ah, but so many of the Pubs don't seem to think that laws apply to them, especially since their leader views the "rule of law" as being an obstacle, such as his recent attack on the Constitution itself. [Emoluments Clause]

Yerda · Oct 24, 2019

Prometheus85 said:
Well, Trump defenders: You can’t claim Bill Taylor is lying. (He’s a career diplomat, appointed by Trump admin. & backed up by texts). And you can’t say with any shred of credibility that it’s no big deal to condition foreign aid on delivery of political dirt.

So: what now?

What did he have to say?

Yerda · Oct 24, 2019

blü 2 said:
I'm pointing out the gross impropriety of using public office for personal advantage.

Using public office for personal gain is the entire purpose of holding public office for 99% of the muckers. Trump is just doing it with less class than most.

SkepticThinker · Oct 24, 2019

metis said:
Notice how the Trump talking points has switched from not countering the fact that he threatened a quid pro quo but to the process of impeachment "behind closed doors!", which is actually where most depositions are held? Of course when the Pubs were "investigating" Benghazi, then that was quite OK with them then. Their utter hypocrisy is astounding.

Apparently nobody is aware that there are Republicans involved in those "beind closed doors" meetings as well. :shrug:

Apparently, some of them even came out of the meeting so they could "angrily" storm back into it.

metis said:
BTW, did anyone notice the Pubs storming the secured room whereas many had their cell phones out in violation of the law? Ah, but so many of the Pubs don't seem to think that laws apply to them, especially since their leader views the "rule of law" as being an obstacle, such as his recent attack on the Constitution itself. [Emoluments Clause]

I was thinking the same. Apparently these people love rules and laws, but only for other people.

I guess when you have no actual defense of the President's actions, you've got nothing left but this kind of nonsense.

Prometheus85 · Oct 24, 2019

Jollybear said:
And i totally agree with you on that line!

And this is where i disagree.

This isnt just about bidens son. This is about biden himself. Biden has already been proven to lie. He said he didnt talk to his son about the gas company. His son said he did. Thus, biden lied.

Now, shoktin, the prosecuter biden got ukrain to fire, he said he was investigating bidens son as well as the gas company. Biden denies that shoktin was investigating his son. Is biden lying or is shoktin?

Thats important and the american people have a RIGHT to know the truth on this line.

So, ill ask you again, why dont the american people have a right to know about this?

oh so you agree the actions of a presidents children don’t reflect the president.

so the trump kids profiting off of their father being president is not a conflict of interest, but the Hunter Biden situation in Ukraine is a conflict of interest and must be investigated.

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