Red Faced, Trump Backs Out Of Using Doral Resort As Host Of G7 summit

Jollybear · Oct 23, 2019

Jose Fly said:
Um....I just answered that.

Because as President Lincoln noted, it's illegal for a President to accept any gift or payment from a foreign leader or government.

No, you didnt answer it. I should understand my own question better then you. That said, no, you did not answer it.

SkepticThinker · Oct 23, 2019

Jollybear said:
No, you didnt answer it. I should understand my own question better then you. That said, no, you did not answer it.

That's the clearest answer there is.

Callisto · Oct 23, 2019

Jose Fly said:
I'll try one time to explain this to you...

It's illegal for a President to accept any sort of gift or payment from a foreign leader or government.

President Trump declared that the G7 summit would be held at the Doral resort, which means world leaders would have to stay at the resort.

Donald Trump owns the Doral resort.

Thus all payments associated with the summit would go to Donald Trump.

Since he is the President, that is illegal.

It's just that simple.

Plus, Doral is not equipped with the security and comms necessary to host this kind of summit and would potentially require construction, followed by renovation needed after the retrofitting. I.e., expensive upgrades using taxpayers dollars which could then be used for marketing to high clientele resulting in a bump in profits, which Doral needs because it's not as profitable as other comparable properties in the area. All free to Trump as it would be on the government's coin.

Whereas, Camp David is perfectly suited for and already equipped to hold the G7. It was the site of the 2012 G8.

ecco · Oct 23, 2019

Skwim said:
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Red Faced, Trump Backs Out Of Using Doral Resort As Host Of G7 summit

If Trump is red-faced it is probably from screaming at his inner circle for not finding a way to shut up his critics.

fantome profane · Oct 23, 2019

Shad said:
Trump said he was going to do it at costs or free. Ergo no gift involved thus no violation.

I find it incredible that anyone would give any credence to anything Trump says.

But consider the fact that Doral has been losing money for years, and typically in June there is less than one third occupancy. Under these conditions, relatively speaking, breaking even would be a huge profit. (Meaning breaking even is better than taking s loss).

And considering Trumps history of financial fraud, I don’t believe him for a second when he says he wouldn’t get any money out of the deal.

Jose Fly · Oct 23, 2019

Jollybear said:
No, you didnt answer it. I should understand my own question better then you. That said, no, you did not answer it.

Then there's nothing else I can do to help you understand.

Shad · Oct 23, 2019

fantome profane said:
I find it incredible that anyone would give any credence to anything Trump says.

So? Dems had no evidence to invoke the clause yet you believed them. Hilarious

But consider the fact that Doral has been losing money for years, and typically in June there is less than one third occupancy. Under these conditions, relatively speaking, breaking even would be a huge profit. (Meaning breaking even is better than taking s loss).

Breaking even is not profit. Get a dictionary

And considering Trumps history of financial fraud, I don’t believe him for a second when he says he wouldn’t get any money out of the deal.

Your opinion is irrelevant

fantome profane · Oct 23, 2019

Shad said:
So? Dems had no evidence to invoke the clause yet you believed them. Hilarious

I have no idea what you are talking about.

Jollybear · Oct 23, 2019

Jose Fly said:
Then there's nothing else I can do to help you understand.

I know how you can help me.

Tell me why the founders put the amoluments clause in the constitution in the first place? Laws come with a REASON. Right?

fantome profane · Oct 23, 2019

Jollybear said:
I know how you can help me.

Tell me why the founders put the amoluments clause in the constitution in the first place? Laws come with a REASON. Right?

The founders were very concerned with a foreign power having influence over the U.S. government, Remember, they were a British colony, under the rule of Britain. If they allowed the European powers to bribe the U.S. officials to do their bidding the U.S. would be a vassal to Europe again. Independent in name only, and perhaps not even that for long.

The only reason the U.S. remained independent and sovereign is precisely because of the law against foreign influence.

Callisto · Oct 24, 2019

Jollybear said:
I know how you can help me.

Tell me why the founders put the amoluments clause in the constitution in the first place? Laws come with a REASON. Right?

Did you never take a civics class, ever? Honest question.

Regardless, are you saying you can't figure out what problems would arise where a country's leader could be bought and sold or beholden to a foreign entity? Take a guess, at least. Help us understand how it is you do not understand.

Shad · Oct 24, 2019

fantome profane said:
I have no idea what you are talking about.

Read the clause. There is no evidence that the clause was violated. It was a threat, nothing more

fantome profane · Oct 24, 2019

Shad said:
Read the clause. There is no evidence that the clause was violated. It was a threat, nothing more

How many foreign leaders have made payments to Trump by staying at his Washington hotel?

This is not about the Dems.

Shad · Oct 24, 2019

fantome profane said:
How many foreign leaders have made payments to Trump by staying at his Washington hotel?

As POTUS or as a private citizen?

This is not about the Dems.

Yes it is. It is about selective interpretation, without evidence, and enforcement of law.

How many foreign leaders gave to the Clinton Foundation?

fantome profane · Oct 24, 2019

Shad said:
As POTUS or as a private citizen?

Both, but it is the money he got after becoming President that we are talking about. The number of foreign officials staying at his hotel skyrocketed after be became President.

Yes it is. It is about selective interpretation, without evidence, and enforcement of law.

How many foreign leaders gave to the Clinton Foundation?

I am not defending the Clintons.

Are you defending the Clintons? If you want to avoid this charge of “selection interpretation” then either you defend both, or you think both are wrong.

I think both are wrong. What about you?

Shad · Oct 24, 2019

fantome profane said:
Both, but it is the money he got after becoming President that we are talking about.

Clinton Foundation ring a bell?

You have to prove it was a gift and that he is enriched by it. Present a bill.

The number of foreign officials staying at his hotel skyrocketed after be became President.

Which is selective enforcement as per the above. Take a look around Congress for the millionaires.

I am not defending the Clintons.

I am using it as an example of selective enforcement by Congress.

Are you defending the Clintons? If you want to avoid this charge of “selection interpretation” then either you defend both, or you think both are wrong.

Congress has a selective interpretation and enforcement. That is corruption itself. Ergo they have no legitimate authority to be a judge in the matter.

I think both are wrong. What about you?

I think you Americans need to house clean not merely repaint the outside. The rot goes deeper than Trump. Trump will be gone next year or after his 2nd term (Bernie/Tulsi ticket could win imo). Trump is the scapegoat for the mob while the rest of the rot get voted back into office after you get your sacrificial lamb

fantome profane · Oct 24, 2019

Shad said:
Clinton Foundation ring a bell?

You have to prove it was a gift and that he is enriched by it. Present a bill.

Which is selective enforcement as per the above. Take a look around Congress for the millionaires.

I am using it as an example of selective enforcement by Congress.

Congress has a selective interpretation and enforcement. That is corruption itself. Ergo they have no legitimate authority to be a judge in the matter.

I think you Americans need to house clean not merely repaint the outside. The rot goes deeper than Trump. Trump will be gone next year or after his 2nd term (Bernie/Tulsi ticket could win imo). Trump is the scapegoat for the mob while the rest of the rot get voted back into office after you get your sacrificial lamb

Fantastic post. You and I are in complete agreement. Trump is not the only one guilty of misusing his office.

But he is guilty of misusing his office. And if he gets away with it that only sets a precedent for the next guy to do the same. But if he gets impeached and removed that sets the precedent to go after all the others as well.

So which precedent should be set? Should the law and the constitution be upheld, or just let it slide?

It seems like you want to argue that the Clintons broke the law so therefore Trump should be allowed to as well. Even if that were true that way leads to chaos.

Earthtank · Oct 24, 2019

Orange faced not red.

Subduction Zone · Oct 24, 2019

Earthtank said:
Orange faced not red.

More specifically Cheetos colored.

sooda · Oct 24, 2019

Jollybear said:
I have a question.

If foreign leaders are PAYING (its not even a gift, but even if they gave a gift, whats wrong with that?) For the hotel and all of its done voluntarily, no one is forced, its all agreed upon, the tax payer is not burdened,

What is wrong with it?

Like seriously, what is wrong with these left wing, dingbat democrats? They want to criticize EVERYTHING and that everything is nothing.

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