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Excuses, excuses

1213

Well-Known Member
But that's not what is actually written... that's only your attempt to "rewrite" what is actually there,
...

It is really interesting how you can ignore these direct words:

…But that you may know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins" (he said to the paralyzed man), "I tell you, arise, and take up your cot, and go to your house." Immediately he rose up before them, and took up that which he was laying on, and departed to his house, glorifying God.
Luke 5:21-25

Jesus tells he has right to forgive sins and he proves it by making the paralyzed man to walk.
 

Spartan

Well-Known Member
If the Biblical god character exists and is as evil as that book depicts as being , why do some believers make excuses for its disgusting behaviour?

If God were truly evil you wouldn't even be breathing. He would have already cast you into Hell.
 

JJ50

Well-Known Member
If God were truly evil you wouldn't even be breathing. He would have already cast you into Hell.
Spartan you say the craziest things and I think you may have psychological problems for which you need help, it seems to give you pleasure think of people who don't see it your way going to hell.
 
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Bob the Unbeliever

Well-Known Member
It is really interesting how you can ignore these direct words:

…But that you may know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins" (he said to the paralyzed man), "I tell you, arise, and take up your cot, and go to your house." Immediately he rose up before them, and took up that which he was laying on, and departed to his house, glorifying God.
Luke 5:21-25

Jesus tells he has right to forgive sins and he proves it by making the paralyzed man to walk.

I thought of a rebuttal: Jesus did not want to die in a horrible torture. "Let this pass from me" and all that.

Finally? Jesus seemed pretty powerless UNTIL the brutal torture happened.

Moreover? If Jesus was enough? Why was he tortured anyway, if not to appease the blood-thirsty demands of the bible's god?

Hmmmm.
 

Spartan

Well-Known Member
Really? This god of yours seems like it would enjoy tormenting people while they are alive as well...

... just going by it's followers' attitudes.

Like I've said before, if God were as evil as the spiritually-challenged crowd contends, then you wouldn't even be breathing.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Like I've said before, if God were as evil as the spiritually-challenged crowd contends, then you wouldn't even be breathing.
No, you are merely making the mistake that he is as evil as some of his followers.

Oh wait . . . you said the "spiritually challenged" . Were you talking about yourself after all?
 

Spartan

Well-Known Member
Your "logic" does not follow-- you failed to address the possibility your god enjoys torturing people while they are alive, as well as while they are dead.

Back up your rant that God enjoys torturing people while they are alive. Where do you get that from? What's your evidentiary basis for that?
 

JesusKnowsYou

Active Member
So far your only arguments have been,

"No, it's not true." or,

"No, it's wrong/immoral."

These just aren't good arguments.
It's still brutal and unethical and? Immoral.
I don't think you know what the definition of "brutal" is.

Killings made in self-defense or the defense of others are not immoral.
Before 1865 in the USA? It was Lawful to Own People. Lawful does not mean Moral.
Completely irrelevant to the fact that not all killings are immoral.
Your version of a god? Immoral.
Yeah, you've been sharing that false opinion a lot.

It is based on the slimmest of understandings without basically any context at all.
Not true, sorry.
This statement is based on nothing.

If you actually read the scriptures you would see that God follows a pattern of calling prophets in order to warn the people if they start to fall into wickedness.

These prophets call people to repentance and also warn the people of potential repercussions if they decide to remain wicked.

God has always followed this pattern.
Even the infants? Even the unborn fetuses?
What would you have Him do? Fill the Ark with millions of babies that Noah and his tiny family cannot take care of?

The entire population of the Earth needed to be removed because they were damning all future generations of God's children.

You are arguing on behalf of evil, violence and chaos.
The Flood represents the Ultimate Abortion: where you immoral god ABORTS all the babies on the planet, at one go.
No, these do not classify as abortions. Just like a miscarriage or an expecting mother dying by drowning are not cases of abortion.

You seem to be a very dishonest and slightly unhinged individual.

Why do you really hate God so much? Which of your sins are you trying to defend?
IMMORAL--even by your questionable "standards".
Not by my standards.

You don't know my standards because you don't know the scriptures and I don't think you are even reading my posts.
I WOULD NOT DROWN THEM TO STOP THEM. In direct contrast to your monster-god.
Even if you had a planet full of people intent on killing your children?

What would you do to stop them?
You keep failing to prove that claim.
Was I supposed to?

If you want to accurately and honestly judge God's actions in the Bible then you need to learn about the doctrines professed in the Bible.

Destroying a generation of people may seem immoral to you, but that's only because you don't know anything about what we are talking about.
Citation needed: No evidence of claim.
What evidence is there?

We are talking about Biblical things. The Bible teaches that death is not the end of life.

If you are unwilling to accept these simple doctrines then you will be forever confused and wrong in your judgment.
EVEN THE BABIES? EVEN THE UNBORN?
I am really interested in knowing what you would have done if you were in God's position.

You have an innumerable number of your children waiting to enter into mortality, but all of their potential mortal parents were evil and would instantly corrupt them and guarantee that they would be damned just like them.

What do you do? Go!
SLAVERY was Lawful. STILL IMMORAL.
Irrelevant. Killing someone is not always immoral.
A baby cannot understand the weak "warning".
You are so ignorant of the scriptures.

Why do you feel the need to discuss things you know nothing about?
Worse: NOBODY IN THE AMERICAS HEARD THIS ... "WARNING".
What "Americas"?

We have no idea what the landmass was like at the time.

I do not believe that there was more than one at the time.
Wow.... no other option but BRUTAL MURDER, then?
Again, you don't know what "brutal" means and killing someone who is assaulting my children is not murder.
Drunkenness. Incest. Or don't those count?
I don't drink alcohol, but I don't fault Noah for getting drunk at that time.

He had just survived a world-ending event and had been tasked with rebuilding all human civilization.

What incestuous act did Noah commit?

I think you are confused.
Absolutely, considering the consequences...
The only consequence of him getting drunk was being in a heavy sleep.

It is not his fault that his son decided to steal the robes of the Priesthood off of him.

You often blame the victims of crime for being victimized?
This is the sound of your brain "buffering"?

Practitioners of Islam believe that Noah had another son that refused to enter the Ark.
It's also possible Space Pixies are the REAL builders of the Ark, and lying old crafty Noah just stole it and took credit.
Really?

You go from the possibility that the record may not be complete to "Space Pixies"?

No wonder you don't know anything about the Bible, you aren't mature enough.
That bible you never bother reading...
This is hilarious coming from you.
Yet he commits rape and worse....
What are you talking about?
I can forgive WITHOUT A BRUTAL MURDER. Your god? Cannot.
Again, you don't know what "brutal" means and not all death is murder.

Next, this statement is obviously false since your argument thus far has been based on your unwillingness to forgive God for supposed wrong-doing.

You are not able to forgive.

God still offers forgiveness to the wicked who died in the Flood, but that is not the reason He decided to remove them.

They were removed in order for Him to save all future generations of His children on the Earth.
That makes ME MORE moral that your god.
All you have been able to prove about yourself is that you are willfully ignorant, immature and dishonest.
So what?

I'm done with your constant excuses for an IMMORAL, PURE EVIL GOD.
God bless you.

I hope you learn to actually research the topics of your future discussions.
 

JesusKnowsYou

Active Member
Your bible does not agree with you.
You don't know what you are talking about.

"Hell" is a condition placed on unrepentant spirits up until the time of their Resurrection and Final Judgment.

It is not "torture". No one is imposing any pain and suffering on them. They placed it upon themselves.

They are merely living in a condition outside the application of the Atonement of the Lord Jesus Christ.

The "lake of fire" is Outer Darkness and is outside of God's Kingdom which only the devil, his minions and those who commit the unpardonable sin will be sent.

And those whoa re sent there want nothing to do with God and His Kingdom so they are getting exactly what they want.

No "torture" anywhere.
 

1213

Well-Known Member
...Moreover? If Jesus was enough? Why was he tortured anyway, if not to appease the blood-thirsty demands of the bible's god?...

I don’t think there is reason to think God is bloodthirsty. Jesus was murdered, because people are evil and bloodthirsty and hated Jesus who told the truth and showed righteousness.

I believe God allowed it to happen, because He knew it can be turned for good. Before the death, the disciples of Jesus were afraid. But after resurrection they had courage to continue fearlessly. So, by dying Jesus had the chance to be raised from the death and by so he could give the courage to his disciples and show that death is not the end and we should not fear death at all.
 

Bob the Unbeliever

Well-Known Member
So far your only arguments have been,

"No, it's not true." or,

"No, it's wrong/immoral."

These just aren't good arguments..

Well, that's a Straw Man projection of your failure to read what I wrote. Not my fault you project your false notion into what I *actually* write...

*sigh*

I don't think you know what the definition of "brutal" is..

Ahhh, but I *do*: Look at the fundamental principles on which christianity is based: evil, brutal, scape-goat-ism, etc, etc. They very epitome of brutal.

Your version of the christian god cannot forgive, without something being brutally murdered, first.

Killings made in self-defense or the defense of others are not immoral..

Irrelevant. An infinite power god? Cannot possibly need "self defense" as an excuse.

Nor can such a god need to stoop to brutal murder to defend **anything***.
Completely irrelevant to the fact that not all killings are immoral..

So YOU claim. So YOU fail to show-- see above. You are just crying "IS NOT, IS NOT, IS NOT".

Ironic, considering your first sentence, above, don't you think?
Yeah, you've been sharing that false opinion a lot..

Again: you cry "IS NOT, IS NOT, IS NOT" without a single attempt to rebut.

More irony.
It is based on the slimmest of understandings without basically any context at all..

One More Time: you cry "IS NOT, IS NOT, IS NOT" without a single attempt to rebut.

So much irony? Your ship is rusted through...

This statement is based on nothing..

The irony is overwhelming.... you, ONCE AGAIN: "IS NOT"
If you actually read the scriptures you would see that God follows a pattern of calling prophets in order to warn the people if they start to fall into wickedness..

That's your lame excuse. What a pathetic and BRUTAL god you believe in!


These prophets call people to repentance and also warn the people of potential repercussions if they decide to remain wicked..

For a certain value of "wicked"... sure, sure. Why cannot this god speak DIRECTLY?

No? It prefers to use incompetent and poorly educated fools instead? Look at Jonah-- you cannot GET more incompetent...


God has always followed this pattern..

So you claim. So you fail to demonstrate.... but if true?

EVIL GOD is what you have, here.
What would you have Him do? Fill the Ark with millions of babies that Noah and his tiny family cannot take care of?.

HOW ABOUT NOT KILLING EVERYONE, INSTEAD? HOW ABOUT JUST MAGIC-AWAY THE EVIL ADULTS ONLY?

Wow.... your god? Is like a 2 year old with a busted box of crayons... has all the creativity of a dead mouse.
The entire population of the Earth needed to be removed because they were damning all future generations of God's children..

You must really HATE PUPPIES-- just like your evil god!
You are arguing on behalf of evil, violence and chaos..

Oh. My. THE IRONY: YOU ARE ARGUING IN FAVOR OF DROWNED BABIES-- INCLUDING ALL THE UNBORN.

That is BEYOND sick.
No, these do not classify as abortions. Just like a miscarriage or an expecting mother dying by drowning are not cases of abortion..

YOU ARE ONE SICK INDIVIDUAL-- no WONDER you worship an EVIL god!

STOP CLAIMING TO BE PRO-LIFE: YOU ARE PRO-DEATH. JUST LIKE YOUR DEATH-CULT GOD.
You seem to be a very dishonest and slightly unhinged individual..

At least *I* DO NOT ADVOCATE FOR MASS-SLAUGHTER OF BABIES! Unlike YOU.
Why do you really hate God so much? Which of your sins are you trying to defend?.

LMAO! You silly person: I do not hate your evil, brutal MONSTER-GOD. I do not believe it is real!

P.S. I also do not hate UNICORNS.

That's as much of your HATE-SPEECH as I can stomach in one go...
 

Bob the Unbeliever

Well-Known Member
You don't know what you are talking about..

Ironic: Your only counter-argument is "IS NOT, IS NOT, IS NOT"

Sad.

"Hell" is a condition placed on unrepentant spirits up until the time of their Resurrection and Final Judgment..

That's absolutely NOT IN YOUR BIBLE. Sheesh...
It is not "torture". No one is imposing any pain and suffering on them. They placed it upon themselves..

THAT IS NOT IN YOUR BIBLE-- your own mythical Jesus spoke of infinite torture...!

(endless torment-- same thing)
They are merely living in a condition outside the application of the Atonement of the Lord Jesus Christ..

Not based on your bible-- AGAIN.
The "lake of fire" is Outer Darkness and is outside of God's Kingdom which only the devil, his minions and those who commit the unpardonable sin will be sent..

NOT BASED ON YOUR BIBLE-- AGAIN.
And those whoa re sent there want nothing to do with God and His Kingdom so they are getting exactly what they want.

No "torture" anywhere.

NOT BIBLICAL. Sad.
 

Bob the Unbeliever

Well-Known Member
I don’t think there is reason to think God is bloodthirsty. Jesus was murdered, because people are evil and bloodthirsty and hated Jesus who told the truth and showed righteousness..

Interesting. Not based even a LITTLE BIT on your bible. But that's a cute fantasy you got going there...

The bible makes it VERY CLEAR: Jesus HAD to be brutally tortured and then murdered, so that god could get up enough "juice" to forgive people.

I believe God allowed it to happen, because He knew it can be turned for good. Before the death, the disciples of Jesus were afraid. But after resurrection they had courage to continue fearlessly. So, by dying Jesus had the chance to be raised from the death and by so he could give the courage to his disciples and show that death is not the end and we should not fear death at all.

Interesting. Nothing you said, above, comes from the actual bible...

Why is it? You christians make up stuff, that isn't in your own bible?

Could it be: Because you do not actually read your own book?

Could be. Reading the bible-- the actual words on the pages-- is one of the best tools to make someone into an atheist.

It's what happened to ME, point of fact...!
 
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