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God and homosexuality.

JJ50

Well-Known Member
You can certainly find interpretative scripture to indicate that he might have been gay. It's just a google search away.

He is said to have a specific disciple whom he loved, presumably male. The anti-gay bigots will suggest it was his brother!:rolleyes:
 

Moz

Religion. A pox on all their Houses.
Neither Male nor Female: Understanding the Complexities of Sex and Gender

Author: Virginia Ramey Mollencott
Excerpt.
What society has constructed, society can also deconstruct and reconstruct. The goal is worthwhile: to learn from the facts of human sexuality and genderedness and to develop attitudes that match those facts and, thus, alleviate human pain. Although I have written books arguing the human equality of females and males and homosexuals and heterosexuals, I now understand that no matter how liberationist the context may be, as long as these terms are handled in a binary fashion, they continue to reinforce the dominant gender paradigm. This book is my attempt to break out of a system that has worked only by silencing the outcries of millions and to move instead toward a new, omnigender paradigm.
 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
Hi

You have refuted nothing from what i have seen. You just call those who have thought about this stuff at a deeper level than you bigots. Well...... very soon ALL your agruments will be moot and YOU will be the bigoted one with outmoded beleifs.

The chickens are coming home to roost as the stupid immoral and frankly unthought out progression of your humanist crap comes to its logical conclusion and biological sex is no longer recognised as anything but instead is labeled merely as the construct of an oppressive patriarchy.
Gays will soon not be able to claim attraction to the opposite sex as a biological or genetic trait, there IS NO opposite sex.
The radical feminists are already starting to fight trans women over who gets to be called a woman. Womens sport is gonna get soooo complicated and divisive. Can a trans woman take the place of a natural women on quotas?
Some transgender used to say they were a female born into a male body but that is now against the NEW morals of gender fluidity,. The biological agrument that trans people have been using forever is almost totally debunked amongst gender theorists and when that really hits the mainstream in a year or two just watch the cannabilism that will break out amongst people with your moribund thought process.

It is going to be so much fun to watch people like you stand up for the "feelings" of those who claim to be different because of their biologogy. While at the same time defending the "feeling" of those that claim it is all an oppressive social construct. While also caring for the "feelings'of those that claim it is all nothing but an individual choice.
That is the problem with your human morals,,, they are all to human.
Your morals are human too. Everyone's are. ;)
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
What all too many fundamentalists don't seem to get is that, besides the Bible having Divine perspectives and teachings, it's also clearly influenced by the culture of the human authors and the times in which they were written. It clearly reflects subjective human beliefs and customs, so for one to somehow just take it all as a literal "word of God" simply doesn't make one iota of sense.

IOW, the Bible is not God nor is God the Bible, nor is it a source of objectivity.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Wanderer From Afar
Premium Member
I heard a man once say, "You know what male homosexual sinners covet and idolize? The male sphincter. And you know who they hate? Anyone who brings the Word of God to them to repent and turn from their sin."
And how did he know that? That says more about him than anyone else. I've been involved in gay culture for a few decades and never heard anyone in it praise or obsess over the sphincter, so what nonsense is this?
 

Moz

Religion. A pox on all their Houses.
And how did he know that? That says more about him than anyone else. I've been involved in gay culture for a few decades and never heard anyone in it praise or obsess over the sphincter, so what nonsense is this?

Gay culture? There's an oxymoron for you.

Although thanks to you lot mucking about with with sex and gender issues you have opened the floodgates and are gonna get washed away in the flood.

Apparently, according to the new wisdom being produced by social constructionists, you have been wrong for all these decades and have been arguing for a proposition that does not exist. For you to claim attraction to another biological male will soon be liable to claims of mis-gendering a person on the outmoded presupositions of an oppresive society. Apprently there is no sex only Gender, of which there seem to be an unlimited number, so to claim bilogical attraction is gonna get you in trouble with the TQI of the LGBTQI "community".
We are about to enter a non binary paradigm amongst the world that you promote and i for one am looking forward to watching you lot flail around as your postion is invalidated by the same post modern bull**** that you lot pushed for so short sightedly decades ago.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Wanderer From Afar
Premium Member
Gay culture? There's an oxymoron for you.

Although thanks to you lot mucking about with with sex and gender issues you have opened the floodgates and are gonna get washed away in the flood.

Apparently, according to the new wisdom being produced by social constructionists, you have been wrong for all these decades and have been arguing for a proposition that does not exist. For you to claim attraction to another biological male will soon be liable to claims of mis-gendering a person on the outmoded presupositions of an oppresive society. Apprently there is no sex only Gender, of which there seem to be an unlimited number, so to claim bilogical attraction is gonna get you in trouble with the TQI of the LGBTQI "community".
We are about to enter a non binary paradigm amongst the world that you promote and i for one am looking forward to watching you lot flail around as your postion is invalidated by the same post modern bull**** that you lot pushed for so short sightedly decades ago.
Yes, gay culture or overall LGBT culture: LGBT culture - Wikipedia

A lot of the stuff you straights enjoy wouldn't exist without LGBT people. We're heavily involved in the arts, in case you live under a rock.

The rest of the stuff you're blathering mindlessly about has nothing to do with me. We're not a hive mind.
 

Moz

Religion. A pox on all their Houses.
Yes, gay culture or overall LGBT culture: LGBT culture - Wikipedia

A lot of the stuff you straights enjoy wouldn't exist without LGBT people. We're heavily involved in the arts, in case you live under a rock.

The rest of the stuff you're blathering mindlessly about has nothing to do with me. We're not a hive mind.
MIndless blather. Well we will see won't we. You lot should be terrified of the direction things are going.
You know the gay agrument that "you were born that way" . That agrument is going to be very hard to sustain within your own community as it more and more buys into the new thinking on gender.
That you gays led the way in normalising the abnormal is such a sweet irony as we will soon get to see the children you spawned by your repulsive doctrine eat you.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Wanderer From Afar
Premium Member
MIndless blather. Well we will see won't we. You lot should be terrified of the direction things are going.
You know the gay agrument that "you were born that way" . That agrument is going to be very hard to sustain within your own community as it more and more buys into the new thinking on gender.
That you gays led the way in normalising the abnormal is such a sweet irony as we will soon get to see the children you spawned by your repulsive doctrine eat you.
I'm aware of far-left deconstructionism in Ivory Tower academia. No one really takes it seriously except for certain professors and ultra-PC types. I'm a transsexual and it would be completely stupid for me to say that biological sex doesn't exist and would go against reality and scientific fact. Most of us don't buy into that crap.

I'm not gay, by the way. I'm a bisexual trans man.
 

Spartan

Well-Known Member
Yes, gay culture or overall LGBT culture: LGBT culture - Wikipedia

A lot of the stuff you straights enjoy wouldn't exist without LGBT people. We're heavily involved in the arts, in case you live under a rock.

The world can thrive even better without your LGBT decadence. In fact, two men can't even make a baby, or two lesbian women, without having to resort to special methods. Left to themselves, the LGBT crowd would die out in one generation. And they'll certainly have a rough go of it in the Lake of Fire (Revelation 21:8, etc.).
 

Saint Frankenstein

Wanderer From Afar
Premium Member
The world can thrive even better without your LGBT decadence. In fact, two men can't even make a baby, or two lesbian women, without having to resort to special methods. Left to themselves, the LGBT crowd would die out in one generation. And they'll certainly have a rough go of it in the Lake of Fire (Revelation 21:8, etc.).
LGBT people have always existed, so you can take that up with your god or nature, since it seems fit to keep creating us. As long as human reproduce, we will always exist as a certain percentage of humans born will be homosexual, bisexual or trans. So thanks for keeping our numbers up. Oh, and research shows that the more children a woman has, the higher the likelihood of her having a gay son. So keep it up.

LGBT people can have babies without outside help like anyone else and many of us do, as well.

I don't care about your stupid threats. I'm a member of the revival of Germanic religion so threatening me with your make-believe hell is a waste of time, so stuff it. Besides, I'd rather burn in hell if people like you are going to Heaven.
 
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Moz

Religion. A pox on all their Houses.
I'm aware of far-left deconstructionism in Ivory Tower academia. No one really takes it seriously except for certain professors and ultra-PC types. I'm a transsexual and it would be completely stupid for me to say that biological sex doesn't exist and would go against reality and scientific fact. Most of us don't buy into that crap.

I'm not gay, by the way. I'm a bisexual trans man.

The problem with it being "certain Professors", and i think it is the majority in the social sciences, is that they are the ones who teach. It does not matter what "most" of you believe, it is the radical minority that drives the buse in things like this and the radiclas want sex to be done away with as a definition holding any weight. It is all gender on a spectrum now unless you lot stand up to them and say they are wrong. I can't because then i'm a bigot apparently.

So you disagree with the contention that male and female are merely social constructs and you believe that biologoy determines sex?
Yet you went against your biology becasue you thought you were the other sex, you chose your "feelings" over your biology. I can not see how you can win an internal Lgbtq agrument against gender being what you "feel' and not what you were born.
It is so messy and confusing and it seems like we are just at the beginning of the unintended consequences of overturning what mankind spent thousands of years working out.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Wanderer From Afar
Premium Member
The problem with it being "certain Professors", and i think it is the majority in the social sciences, is that they are the ones who teach. It does not matter what "most" of you believe, it is the radical minority that drives the buse in things like this and the radiclas want sex to be done away with as a definition holding any weight. It is all gender on a spectrum now unless you lot stand up to them and say they are wrong. I can't because then i'm a bigot apparently.

So you disagree with the contention that male and female are merely social constructs and you believe that biologoy determines sex?
Yet you went against your biology becasue you thought you were the other sex, you chose your "feelings" over your biology. I can not see how you can win an internal Lgbtq agrument against gender being what you "feel' and not what you were born.
It is so messy and confusing and it seems like we are just at the beginning of the unintended consequences of overturning what mankind spent thousands of years working out.
Transsexualism is a disorder of sex development that occurs in the womb. There's neurological and genetic studies demonstrating that transsexuals are more alike the sex they identify as and not the sex assigned at birth. I have a male digit ratio, which means that I was exposed to a high amount of androgens in the womb. I respond well to testosterone, as well. Why does this happen? We don't know, but it's a biological reality. It's similar to an intersex condition. Nothing to do with "feelings". You would know this is you bothered to educate yourself before running your mouth (or fingers, as it were).
 
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