syo
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The Gods (the pagan Gods that is) call people via language.
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Does your religious view have a call to the nations to worship God and how?
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wandering peacefully
Which way to the woods?
Nope, no denying it. It's all true. That is why I am politically active in my town by volunteering to serve public office and to help stop the corruption from the bottom up because that is how it flows. Local leaders refusing to apply law to everyone equally and cherry picking which ones to follow and which to ignore. Covientily, always favoring the money and power over what's right and fair.
I agree it is a losing battle but is it better to sit around complaining about the corruption and destruction of our planet but being unwilling to do anything about it except preach about a bronze age myth? Or is it better to try to work to change the small parts one can?
It boils down to a choice of giving up and living in a bubble or fighting for change. I agree the bubble is a much happier and stress free place but I couldn't live with myself if I didn't at least try to help and instead threw my hands up in the sky and happily believe some big magic daddy is going to come take care of things.
No, no gods are going to fix your problems for you. And spreading stories full of false hope and isn't going to help the issues either. Sure, it makes some people feel happy and special but it has no actual effect on the changes we need to survive if that's even an option at this point which I'm not convinced anymore.
Definitely not on the same list as you. And I have zero need or desire to be on it either. I'll live this real life as honestly and compassionately as possible while striving for fairness until I die. That I get to experience this one hard fought but fulfilling life is enough of a reward for me.
And if you actually do wake up someday living on gold paved streets with everything you could ever want, I'll be happy to have you tell me you told me so.
Its a funny thing about politics.....so many go into it with such high hopes of changing things for the better.....but has anyone really accomplished that yet? How long does human history need to go on before humans wake up to one inescapable fact?...."power corrupts"....the more power you give a man...the more corrupt he becomes. You've seen it many times down through history and to the present day.
When the "do-gooders" go into politics, they have only two choices....either they battle against an irresistible force and have to give up because they want to keep some sense of personal integrity......OR they climb down out of their ivory tower and join the rest of the rats on the ground. After all there is good incentive to become a rat.
No man is equipped to go against the status quo when the machinery behind it will grind you into the ground unless you are a team player....and it doesn't matter what team you're on...all are equally affected by corruption. Some are just better at hiding it than others.
The Bible explains that there is one evil entity pulling all the strings behind the scenes.
Jesus' advice was 'don't touch any of it with a barge pole'....and that they were going to be 'hated' for doing that. (John 15:18-21) We are to keep out of that rabble and just be the best law-abiding citizen of your country that you can be. Love of neighbor was one of the identifying traits of Christ's followers. Sometimes tough love is what is needed. Just because we don't run charities doesn't mean we do nothing to help people.
You can fight the system all you wish but you will never win. The powers working against you are so much stronger than those working for you. Ask any humanitarian agency if they ever feel like they are winning.....most feel like they are going backwards at 100 miles an hour. For every person they help, thousands more are needing assistance. Living in this world is just getting harder for the majority. The gap between the rich and poor is ever widening. The poor are still slaves of the rich. The displaced are lost in no man's land. You think you can stop that?
Humanitarianism is a wonderful thing and JW's help wherever they see a need, but hand to mouth charities do not help people rise above their situation in life. They need a hand up...not a hand out. We don't want to hand a man a fish...we want to teach him to fish and show him how to gain some sense of personal integrity in amongst it all. Our own sense of self worth can be a driver for change...but only if people want to change.
The Creator is not allowing us to go through all of this for no good reason. There are lessons to be learned about the use and abuse of our God-given free will.....the lessons learned will last for all eternity so that we will never have to live like this again. The Creator did not go to all this trouble for nothing and he has not asked us to endure it without reward. I have never known any of my spiritual brothers to go without the necessities of life. Our "daily bread" is always supplied. We were never promised a feast.
That is a commendable attitude...but be careful what you wish for......it is probably all you are going to get.
But it needn't be that way.....that is the point. We are being given choices right now, and when we choose our path, we choose our destination.
The place I hope to go to is not like that at all. Streets paved with gold? Where do people get these ideas? I am looking forward to living right here on earth with all the rot of this world cleared away. Living the life God purposed for the human race all along...one free from corruption and wickedness and a return to living in harmony with nature. For those who refuse to learn from the long lessons of history, termination of their tenancy is assured.....eviction will inevitably follow. That is what the Bible says and all of the things we see happening in the world right now are part of the evidence that we are near the end of all of it. More and more people are realizing that something is happening that has never happened before....and they want answers. We believe we have the answers and can give them a sure hope for a wonderful future.....not the bleak forecast that is assured unless we change our ways. No one is really changing though are they?
There is just one more form of rulership left to try as the Bible foretells.....a global government that will place all humanity under one central body of rulers. It will pretend to be the answer to all the world's divisive problems, but this form of government will be totalitarian in is enforcement. Have you not observed that the police are now in combat gear? They are trained and ready for its implementation.
Wait and see...it has been waiting in the wings at the UN for decades now....waiting for the right time to introduce it.....it will have absolute control over all that we do. Technology will facilitate its success in ways we cannot even imagine. Do you know what 5G is all about? It's coming, ready or not, but it will be short lived and it will not end well for the majority of earth's inhabitants....the greatest tribulation in the history of the world is almost upon us. This is why its time for decisions now.
The end will justify the means in this case. That is what I believe. You may choose to believe otherwise.
arthra
Baha'i
whirlingmerc, asked:
Does your religious view have a call to the nations to worship God and how?
How does your view reach to the world?
or does it keep to itself?
Baha'is believe all the major religions have a common spiritual origin and the Prophets and Messengers or Founders of the religions have a common function: To reflect the attributes of God and provide the teachings needed by humanity for the period when the Revelation from God occurs....
"Religion is the outer expression of the divine reality. Therefore it must be living, vitalized, moving and progressive. If it be without motion and non-progressive it is without the divine life; it is dead. The divine institutes are continuously active and evolutionary; therefore the revelation of them must be progressive and continuous. All things are subject to re-formation."
(Abdu'l-Baha, Baha'i World Faith - Abdu'l-Baha Section, p. 224)
Baha'is are active in hundreds of communities and promote education and consultation on the problems facing communities. Baha'is are involved in Inter-faith activities as well, such as the Parliament of World Religions.
The International Baha'i Community has an NGO status with the United Nations.. It is non-governmental and offers consultation to member states of the UN:
Bahá’í International Community
Does your religious view have a call to the nations to worship God and how?
How does your view reach to the world?
or does it keep to itself?
Baha'is believe all the major religions have a common spiritual origin and the Prophets and Messengers or Founders of the religions have a common function: To reflect the attributes of God and provide the teachings needed by humanity for the period when the Revelation from God occurs....
"Religion is the outer expression of the divine reality. Therefore it must be living, vitalized, moving and progressive. If it be without motion and non-progressive it is without the divine life; it is dead. The divine institutes are continuously active and evolutionary; therefore the revelation of them must be progressive and continuous. All things are subject to re-formation."
(Abdu'l-Baha, Baha'i World Faith - Abdu'l-Baha Section, p. 224)
Baha'is are active in hundreds of communities and promote education and consultation on the problems facing communities. Baha'is are involved in Inter-faith activities as well, such as the Parliament of World Religions.
The International Baha'i Community has an NGO status with the United Nations.. It is non-governmental and offers consultation to member states of the UN:
Bahá’í International Community
On October from the evening the 28th to sunset the 30th of October the Baha'i's of the world invite you to share the Celebration of the 200th Anniversary of the Birth of Baha'u'llah.
The Call is for all to unite together to build strong and loving communities based on Service in Love and Virtues.
Regards Tony
Why wait
Never put of for tomorrow what can easily be done today
Actually, I need to think about that myself Regards Tony
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
Even if I do not object to 'divine', why Bahaullah, and why not Vivekananda or Ramana Maharshi? What is so special about Bahaullah? Is there? Of course, the 'Maid of Heaven' did not visit either Vivekananda or Ramana Maharshi. Ramakrishna Mission also is doing nice work all around the world without asking anything in return.
Those, and a thousand others. But when Baha'i is an upgrade on Islam , which was an upgrade on Christianity, which was an upgrade on Judaism, which was an upgrade on Sanatana Dharma, how positively primitive we must be in those eyes!
No chance of two incredibly different paradigms having nothing to do with each other each changing through the ages.
The key is in all of them, they all assist us to unlock the good within us that motivates service to all humanity. They remove the barriers of class and race and of sex and country to give us a vision of one humanity.
It is men that alter that motivation back to class, race, sex and nationality.
Regards Tony
And many of us, probably half the planet, have done just that. But some folks just need somebody else to tell them how to behave or how to think. If some of those guys would have written what to have for breakfast and at what time, a million plus people would all be eating the same thing at the same time. Just think of that. Such harmony.The fact remains that we could have done without any of them by just being humane.
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Yes probably.
The extreme duality (good and evil) of Zoroastrianism means it was not just modified, but practically changed to be unrecognisable as Vedic.
wandering peacefully
Which way to the woods?
I just cannot figure out what you mean by this.
Actually, I don't know what you mean by this either.
Please explain both and then tell me what you think people who are concerned about the path humans are on are supposed to do about it in THIS life. That's all I want to know from you. I don't do all of the religious stuff. So what else is there?
Oh dear.....did you not know that in the Bible, this whole world and the systems that control it (political, commercial and religious) are said to be under the control of God's adversary? But it is by God's permission though, because the people of this world must decide who they want to rule over them, and give them guidance, of their own free will.....corrupt politicians under an evil agenda....a greedy commercial system....inept, immoral or violent religions....OR the incorruptible one who created us?
Have you not discerned that God is exposing all these systems for the corrupted greedy monsters that they are? In this day and age when knowledge is over abundantly supplied, we seem to be seeing more and more of the depth of that corruption revealed. From the bottom up, and from the top down. "Power corrupts" as we can clearly see. But how much more of it is yet to be revealed? People have put their trust in man's institutions for thousands of years and particularly now, they are seeing that their faith was misplaced. It is spilling over into the streets.
Those with good motives go into politics thinking that they can make a difference....but the truth is, the machinery behind the politics is too powerful for any individual to even attempt to address. They come to realize that they are just a very small cog in a monster of a machine and that if they want to alter the status quo and attempt to fix what is wrong, they will soon pay the penalty....so there are two choices...either quit and understand that the machinery cannot be changed (and try to retain some personal integrity).....or join the rats who have already sold out.....there is great financial incentive to stay and remain silent......so, do you want it to be man's power that rules, or God's? Those is the only choices on the table, according to the Bible.
When we choose our rulers we show the Creator where we stand on the issue of his Sovereignty over mankind. This is what the scenario in Eden was all about....who has the right to tell us how to live?
Governments are necessary to keep some kind of order, but as we see on the daily news, political unrest is sweeping the planet. I believe we are witnessing the death of democracy. The Bible tells us what comes next....and it isn't good.