The anti-Muslim/Islam nonsense needs to stop

Guitar's Cry · Oct 20, 2019

LuisDantas said:
True enough.

I still maintain that it is a far cry from Islaam, and we should raise awareness of the extent of the difference.

In the US or Middle Eastern countries?

j1i · Oct 20, 2019

Epic Beard Man said:
Look, I get it. Many of you don’t like Islam and some of you don’t personally like Muslims. It’s not so much that personal opinions regarding Islam that bothers me (because 90% of the people here critiquing Islam know diddly squat on Islam), it’s the fact that “the powers that be” posts these same anti-Islam threads as featured threads on the website.

I, at least in the past spread the criticism around to different religions yet I rarely see those threads pop up as a featured thread. The issues that I see with those threads becoming featured discussions is that you’re featuring these “critiques” but these are redundant issues that have been regurgitated and talked about.

All I am saying is if I criticize Judaism, or Hinduism, or any other faith let that be a featured thread as well. I’m not saying that threads I’ve made in the past weren’t featured but it seems that more likely than not, anything critiquing Islam or the Muslim community at large more commonly gets featured over threads that question the validity of other faiths.

That to me displays the level of bias by the website itself or those who are in control of featuring threads. This to me is not fairness. Not to mention featuring threads that continually bash Islam or Muslims just draws people who already have a negative view of the faith into discussion, making it not an actual intelligent discussion, but an echo chamber.

If it’s going to be about religion let it be about it, but stop always featuring threads that criticize Islam. This is one of the main reasons why the only moderate Muslim who was a moderator left. It just fosters the level of toxicity that makes actual discussion impossible.

Western newspapers and internet tends to tarnish the image of Islam
Knowing that I am in the UAE
Christians More than Muslims )UAE nationals make up only 10%)
We give them psychological support, churches and freedom of worship. I have never heard in the United Arab Emirates that anyone has offended a Christian or did an aggressive act.
Because it is a crime in Islam (Can you believe)
Sabotaging churches is a hostile act and is a crime in Islam

We always prove that muslims (like us) are more tolerant of Christians and other religions and more successful in giving

Wasp · Oct 21, 2019

Milton Platt said:
Because of the large and very vocal and active militant component of Islam, people do tend to compartmentalize Muslims into this one group.

I don't think they do.

How can we separate militant from non-militant Muslims on the forum?

I suspect "militant muslims" are not into this type of forums. Do you suspect you'll run into one.

Even if you did, what difference would it make if you don't know?

Can you outline steps within the Muslim community to separate militant from non-militant? It would help understanding immensely.

Not having this separation has not hindered me from understanding.

SA Huguenot said:
We live in 2019 where we have computers that can do the translations of the Quran from Arab into any language.
I use the Corpus Quran website for my translation.

That's not made by the computer but by some helpful people. I can't believe it has been of no apparent use to you.

You are welcone to bring the Quran and the Hadith anytime to prove me wrong, you will not be the first, not the last Muslim that will run away

You've made many popular threads about that. No one has run away. Unless you think that giving up on replying to the same argument for the hundredth time means running away.

And you dont have to feel attacked, Atheists does a damn good job in victimising, questioning, and attacking the Judean and Christian religion.[

While I don't feel attacked by anything, I see a difference in the "attacks" against christianity and against Islam.

SA Huguenot · Oct 21, 2019

Wasp said:
That's not made by the computer but by some helpful people. I can't believe it has been of no apparent use to you.

Did I say Corpus Quran was done by computer?
What I did say is that with Windows, Google, Office, one can translate any language today.
And I use the corpus Quran for my translations.
I perhaps did not say that there are certain words translated in CQ which I dont agree with, then I do a language search.
The point I am making is that I dont need some Muslim Imaam to tell me what the Quran says.
Those days are long gone.

SA Huguenot · Oct 21, 2019

Wasp said:
You've made many popular threads about that. No one has run away. Unless you think that giving up on replying to the same argument for the hundredth time means running away.

I wonder what it means when I ask a question about the contents of the Quran, say sura 4: 157, and the muslims who went on the vanguard to defend the Quran, just stopped posting because they can not answer my question.
Do you think it is because I continued to ask the question and played a one string violin?
Was the answer given?
Well, its been a long time and one by one Muslim apologists simply slithered into their holes never to be seen again.
So what is your suggestion.
If a Muslim dont answer a question they so vehemently attempted to explain away, and note... not explain...but explain away...
It is because the question was posed again and it was shown the answers they gave had sweet nothing to do with the question?
Ridicilous.

Wasp · Oct 21, 2019

SA Huguenot said:
Did I say Corpus Quran was done by computer?
What I did say is that with Windows, Google, Office, one can translate any language today.
And I use the corpus Quran for my translations.
I perhaps did not say that there are certain words translated in CQ which I dont agree with, then I do a language search.
The point I am making is that I dont need some Muslim Imaam to tell me what the Quran says.
Those days are long gone.

So Google is better than any Arabic language expert to you.... I could explain what's wrong with that. But I guess it would be waste of my time.

SA Huguenot · Oct 21, 2019

Wasp said:
While I don't feel attacked by anything, I see a difference in the "attacks" against christianity and against Islam.

Yes a big difference.
Christianity is either placed in a catagory with Islam as being the same sillyness as what the Quran levels at, and Islam is somehow made a victime even if everyone knows the atrocities in the Quran and terrible practices of Muhammad.

Wasp · Oct 21, 2019

SA Huguenot said:
I wonder what it means when I ask a question about the contents of the Quran, say sura 4: 157, and the muslims who went on the vanguard to defend the Quran, just stopped posting because they can not answer my question.

You're kind of answering your own question here. I have no idea. I Don't know what the question was and was probably not there.

So what is your suggestion.
If a Muslim dont answer a question they so vehemently attempted to explain away, and note... not explain...but explain away...
It is because the question was posed again and it was shown the answers they gave had sweet nothing to do with the question?
Ridicilous.

It could be you're wrong and the question was answered sufficiently.

It could be they didn't know the entire answer or couldn't explain it.

It could be they didn't wish to explain it for fear of being wrong or being misunderstood.

It is not acceptabe for a Muslim to speak about Islam what is not true. They have responsibly to very that what they say is true. Sometimes I may leave questions unanswered because I feel I cannot give a sufficient and a sufficiently certain answer to it.

SA Huguenot · Oct 21, 2019

Wasp said:
So Google is better than any Arabic language expert to you.... I could explain what's wrong with that. But I guess it would be waste of my time.

I also never said that!
Why do you even say this?
Pal, I made it very clear that I do not trust any Muslim translator on the Quran.
They all lie when they whitewash the filthy and bad things in the Quran and think the Western world will never find out.
and Yes, there are Arabic language experts, such as Osama Dakdok who incidently is an Egyptian Chrystian, and who himself speaks Arab as his first language.
Guess what, He translated the Quran into English, and boy oh Boy, the Muslims hates him for showing how the Quran was whitewashed to hide terror in the name of Islam.
Never tell me that I said I dont respect Arab speaking experts, I clearly said, I dont trust MUSLIM TRANSLATORS of the Quran!

SA Huguenot · Oct 21, 2019

Wasp said:
So Google is better than any Arabic language expert to you.... I could explain what's wrong with that. But I guess it would be waste of my time

I wonder why I get the idea that I am actually wasting my time saying anything when you distort my words?
That is dishonest pal.

SA Huguenot · Oct 21, 2019

Wasp said:
You're kind of answering your own question here. I have no idea. I Don't know what the question was and was probably not there.
It could be you're wrong and the question was answered sufficiently.

It could be they didn't know the entire answer or couldn't explain it.

It could be they didn't wish to explain it for fear of being wrong or being misunderstood.

It is not acceptabe for a Muslim to speak about Islam what is not true. They have responsibly to very that what they say is true. Sometimes I may leave questions unanswered because I feel I cannot give a sufficient and a sufficiently certain answer to it.

Exactly.
They will never incriminate the Quran, even if you prove a lie from it.
Anyhow, since 2008 untill now I spoke to hundreds of Muslim apologists, actual islamic scholars, and not one could answer me.
On the contrary, My face was posted on a billbord at the biggest Mosque in the southern hemisphere at Midrand SA, and I was made out as an enemy of Islam.
very intellectual indeed.

Cooky · Oct 21, 2019

SA Huguenot said:
Exactly.
They will never incriminate the Quran, even if you prove a lie from it.
Anyhow, since 2008 untill now I spoke to hundreds of Muslim apologists, actual islamic scholars, and not one could answer me.
On the contrary, My face was posted on a billbord at the biggest Mosque in the southern hemisphere at Midrand SA, and I was made out as an enemy of Islam.
very intellectual indeed.

Now I'm impressed..!

Yerda · Oct 21, 2019

The idea that Islam is merely a political project to enslave us with Sharia and muslims are terrorists/infiltrators is too common here and it's total filth.

People should be able to criticise what they see as a problem however. For example, while I don't agree with @icehorse, his views are always expressed in terms of scripture and traditions within the Islamic community and this is acceptable imo. I'm not too keen on any kind of dogmatic or repressive religion and sometimes Islam is both of these.

Shad · Oct 21, 2019

SA Huguenot said:
Exactly.
They will never incriminate the Quran, even if you prove a lie from it.
Anyhow, since 2008 untill now I spoke to hundreds of Muslim apologists, actual islamic scholars, and not one could answer me.
On the contrary, My face was posted on a billbord at the biggest Mosque in the southern hemisphere at Midrand SA, and I was made out as an enemy of Islam.
very intellectual indeed.

What exactly did you ask?

Shad · Oct 21, 2019

SA Huguenot said:
I also never said that!
Why do you even say this?
Pal, I made it very clear that I do not trust any Muslim translator on the Quran.
They all lie when they whitewash the filthy and bad things in the Quran and think the Western world will never find out.
and Yes, there are Arabic language experts, such as Osama Dakdok who incidently is an Egyptian Chrystian, and who himself speaks Arab as his first language.
Guess what, He translated the Quran into English, and boy oh Boy, the Muslims hates him for showing how the Quran was whitewashed to hide terror in the name of Islam.
Never tell me that I said I dont respect Arab speaking experts, I clearly said, I dont trust MUSLIM TRANSLATORS of the Quran!

If you look at older translations created by Muslims you will find a lot disagree with modern translations which whitewash. *Hint Western influence between now and then

SA Huguenot · Oct 22, 2019

Shad said:
What exactly did you ask?

In Q 4:157 Allah supposedly say they boast who say Jesus was crucified and killed, they did not kill him, but it was made to appear as if he was crucified.
This is my translation, and not word for word.
My question is,:
If Allah staged Jesus' death on the cross, is it not true then that everyone did see jesus die on the cross, and it is Allah who deceived these people for over 600 years in believing what the witnesses saw?
Therefore, Q4: 157 is the evidence that the witnesses to the crucifixion are true recorders of the crucifixion!
It means that Muhammad hated the idea that Jesus was crucified, and he made this story up with Allah supposedly telling him that he, Allah was only deceiving everyone.
Dont worry Muslim followers of Muhammad, I Allah lied to the Christians for 600 Years!
This is the "Quran check mate verse".
Now, what answer can any Muslim scholar give?
The Quran is more supperior than the Bible, and the Witnesses to the crucifixion are all liars, how can you believe what these witnesses say?
Do you believe liars more than Allah?

The above is not an answer, but some attempt to elevate Allah above suspicion, even on Allah's own testimony that the witnesses on the crucifixion are true witnesses.

Spirit of Light · Oct 22, 2019

SA Huguenot said:
I wonder what it means when I ask a question about the contents of the Quran, say sura 4: 157, and the muslims who went on the vanguard to defend the Quran, just stopped posting because they can not answer my question.
Do you think it is because I continued to ask the question and played a one string violin?
Was the answer given?
Well, its been a long time and one by one Muslim apologists simply slithered into their holes never to be seen again.
So what is your suggestion.
If a Muslim dont answer a question they so vehemently attempted to explain away, and note... not explain...but explain away...
It is because the question was posed again and it was shown the answers they gave had sweet nothing to do with the question?
Ridicilous.

I have had the same experience as you when it comes to asking some Muslims (especially from Somalia) where they get angry because they can not answer to the meaning of Qu`ran verses, They have only memorized the words, but did not understand the total meaning behind the words.
But honestly, this is not something i experiences with every Muslim.

SA Huguenot · Oct 22, 2019

Amanaki said:
I have had the same experience as you when it comes to asking some Muslims (especially from Somalia) where they get angry because they can not answer to the meaning of Qu`ran verses, They have only memorized the words, but did not understand the total meaning behind the words.
But honestly, this is not something i experiences with every Muslim.

Oh, please understand I dont have a problem with Muslims, I have a problem with their scholars!
They are blatantly deceptive and 99% of all Muslims does not know what the Quran says, just as 99% of Christians never read the Bible.
Muslims are just normal people who wants to live a nice life.

Spirit of Light · Oct 22, 2019

SA Huguenot said:
Oh, please understand I dont have a problem with Muslims, I have a problem with their scholars!
They are blatantly deceptive and 99% of all Muslims does not know what the Quran says, just as 99% of Christians never read the Bible.
Muslims are just normal people who wants to live a nice life.

I know you do not have a problem with Muslims

I did not mean to say you had a problem, just that i recognized the same issue i experienced with some Muslims

SA Huguenot · Oct 22, 2019

Amanaki said:
I know you do not have a problem with Muslims I did not mean to say you had a problem, just that i recognized the same issue i experienced with some Muslims

Tnx Mate.
But, what I did find was that such questions gets the average Muslim to think.
They normaly speak to their Imamm's and Mufti's and dont get any good answer anyhow.
This makes them to notice small intricate deception, and eventually they realise how they were led by their noses.
Islam is having huge problems today, not only in the west, but in the Muslim world too.
This is the beauty of social media.
You have information which was never before available due to governments and organisations controlling what we were allowed to hear.
In the deepest parts of Africa, "Muslims" are now questioning their leader's rubbish.

The anti-Muslim/Islam nonsense needs to stop

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