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God and homosexuality.
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Spartan
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Since this thread is about God and homosexuality, it would be proper to provide God's viewpoint on this, based on the Bible.
Gay (homosexual) sex is a sin (numerous scriptures).
The path for homosexuals, like the path for fornicators and adulterers, etc., is to recognize that gay sex is a sin and an affront to God. Next, Jesus said to repent or perish (Luke 13:3). Third, receive Christ as one's Savior for the remission of sins. And fourth, be filled with the Holy Spirit who, with the sinner's cooperation, turns the believer from their ungodly lifestyle into a more Christ-like lifestyle. This process of the Holy Spirit working with the believer to turn from dead (sinful) works is called "progressive sanctification ( What is progressive sanctification? | GotQuestions.org ). And that's it. Of course, unrepentant fornicators, homosexuals, unbelievers, etc., will be cast into the Lake of Fire (Revelation 21:8).
So that's the God part of it.
Gay (homosexual) sex is a sin (numerous scriptures).
The path for homosexuals, like the path for fornicators and adulterers, etc., is to recognize that gay sex is a sin and an affront to God. Next, Jesus said to repent or perish (Luke 13:3). Third, receive Christ as one's Savior for the remission of sins. And fourth, be filled with the Holy Spirit who, with the sinner's cooperation, turns the believer from their ungodly lifestyle into a more Christ-like lifestyle. This process of the Holy Spirit working with the believer to turn from dead (sinful) works is called "progressive sanctification ( What is progressive sanctification? | GotQuestions.org ). And that's it. Of course, unrepentant fornicators, homosexuals, unbelievers, etc., will be cast into the Lake of Fire (Revelation 21:8).
So that's the God part of it.
Another of your very unpleasant posts, the more nasty you are about gays the more I think you are a gay in denial.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
The above does not at all relate to what I posted, so all you are doing is simply blowing smoke. It is your actions and hypocrisy, whereas you called out the speck in someone else's eye but ignored the plank in your own, that's so much lacking in all too many of your posts.
It is said that "You are like the company you keep", and the fact that you also support someone like Trump and emulate his approach, while somehow believing that this all is what Jesus taught, is quite "disturbing". Jesus taught "love one another as I have loved you", but all too many ignore his teaching to behave more like rabid pit bulls. Living in this love ("agape") is a vital necessity with believing in Jesus rather than just something about him (reread Matthew 25 for an example of this). If your church doesn't teach this, then let me recommend you do some serious shopping for a church that does.
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Are we talking about the Christian conception of God?
If we are, then the premise can't be made to work. By any perspective, it is nonsensical to claim that their God disapproves of homosexuality.
Either he is a creator, loving God, or he is more bigoted than the average person. You can't have one without rejecting the other.
leov
Well-Known Member
it is not originally Christian concept, it came from Torah, strictly for those who read Torah thousands years ago, because it was foundation of nation building out of Abraham's seed, homosexuality defies the purpose.
Phaedrus
Active Member
Not only is the Torah only for Jews, it is common knowledge that there was no word for "homosexual". It was simply translated from "effeminate" for the sake of bias. But we all know "effeminate" does not equate to "gay", because I have known plenty of effeminate men who are straight.
leov
Well-Known Member
That is what I : meant for Sons of Israel who lived thousands years ago and did not need translators for understanding language side of Torah.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
There is one test that could be given. I do believe that I refuted his nonsense too many times so he will likely not see this. Ask him if homosexuality is a choice. There are some folks that can swing either way. For them homosexuality is a strong temptation or desire. They often seem to think that all gays are the same, that if forced that they can lead a "straight" lifestyle as he does.
I can't speak for the Jewish people, but they seem to know better as well.
leov
Well-Known Member
Torah can be read in any Gideon's Bible (or many other translations besides KJV) in English but that would not let people to know exactly what it says even in literal sense.
Spartan
Well-Known Member
It's easy for you to cast stones, isn't it, O holier than thou!
And you didn't answer my question: Do you approve of sodomy - gay sex?
Spartan
Well-Known Member
There you go - another one of your mean-spirited posts, complete with another lie. Well done!
I approve of it in a committed relationship, so does any reasonable person.
Spartan
Well-Known Member
Your concept of love is off-kilter.
So, if it's all about love then two adulterers in love must be okay with God too. Nope, not a chance.
For the record,
"Love does not rejoice in iniquity" - 1 Corinthians 13
And,
"Love does no harm to a neighbor" - Romans 13:10 (Love does no harm to a neighbor, like enticing one's neighbor into a sinful relationship for which there are negative temporal and eternal consequences)
So, nice try but no cigar.
If you say so.
Well, they used to lock us up in institutions or imprison us, so we have come a long way thanks to secular rule of law.
Moz
Religion. A pox on all their Houses.
Hi
You have refuted nothing from what i have seen. You just call those who have thought about this stuff at a deeper level than you bigots. Well...... very soon ALL your agruments will be moot and YOU will be the bigoted one with outmoded beleifs.
The chickens are coming home to roost as the stupid immoral and frankly unthought out progression of your humanist crap comes to its logical conclusion and biological sex is no longer recognised as anything but instead is labeled merely as the construct of an oppressive patriarchy.
Gays will soon not be able to claim attraction to the opposite sex as a biological or genetic trait, there IS NO opposite sex.
The radical feminists are already starting to fight trans women over who gets to be called a woman. Womens sport is gonna get soooo complicated and divisive. Can a trans woman take the place of a natural women on quotas?
Some transgender used to say they were a female born into a male body but that is now against the NEW morals of gender fluidity,. The biological agrument that trans people have been using forever is almost totally debunked amongst gender theorists and when that really hits the mainstream in a year or two just watch the cannabilism that will break out amongst people with your moribund thought process.
It is going to be so much fun to watch people like you stand up for the "feelings" of those who claim to be different because of their biologogy. While at the same time defending the "feeling" of those that claim it is all an oppressive social construct. While also caring for the "feelings'of those that claim it is all nothing but an individual choice.
That is the problem with your human morals,,, they are all to human.
Phaedrus
Active Member
I do hope Jesus had been gay, the look on the faces of the ghastly anti-gay Christian bigots would be hilarious if it was conclusively proved to be the case.
You can certainly find interpretative scripture to indicate that he might have been gay. It's just a google search away.