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Excuses, excuses

JesusKnowsYou

Active Member
And if you don't "love him back"? HE WILL BRUTALLY TORTURE YOU FOREVER, AND EVER, AND EVER, AND EVER, in a CUSTOM TORTURE-PIT CREATED ESPECIALLY FOR YOU.

Nice. (no, it's not-- that last word was sarcasm)
That place does not exist.

That idea is based on pagan principles.

Hell is a temporary condition and is not torture of any kind.

Everyone, save those who commit the unpardonable sin, will eventually be forgiven of sin and enter into God's Kingdom.
 

David J

Member
If the Biblical god character exists and is as evil as that book depicts as being , why do some believers make excuses for its disgusting behaviour?

I'm going to play devil's advocate and give you a no excuse answer.

God's authority is not to be questioned or judged. And by definition, he can not do any evil.

He can kill or do whatever the **** he pleases.
 

74x12

Well-Known Member
If the Biblical god character exists and is as evil as that book depicts as being , why do some believers make excuses for its disgusting behaviour?
Well God does exist. As for your accusations ... I don't think He'll answer to humans. But God is love and I don't believe you have any idea what you're talking about.
 

Bob the Unbeliever

Well-Known Member
It's not murder if it is completely lawful and justified..

It's still brutal and unethical and? Immoral.

Before 1865 in the USA? It was Lawful to Own People. Lawful does not mean Moral.

Your version of a god? Immoral.

Many scriptures record that ancient prophets knew of the coming of the Flood many centuries before it came and that they were instructed by the Lord to warn the people that if they did not mend their ways they would all drown..

Not true, sorry.
The wicked people who lived on the Earth at the time were damning one another and all future generations of God's children..

Even the infants? Even the unborn fetuses? The Flood represents the Ultimate Abortion: where you immoral god ABORTS all the babies on the planet, at one go.

IMMORAL--even by your questionable "standards".
You wouldn't stop one of your children from hurting another of your children? From killing another one of your children?.

I WOULD NOT DROWN THEM TO STOP THEM. In direct contrast to your monster-god.
You keep forgetting that physical death is not the end of our existence. We are eternal creatures..

You keep failing to prove that claim.
Our leaving this world is literally just like exiting one room and going into another. It's a transition..

Citation needed: No evidence of claim.
Removing those people from mortality was the right thing to do..

EVEN THE BABIES? EVEN THE UNBORN?
It's not murder if it is lawful and justified..

SLAVERY was Lawful. STILL IMMORAL.
The people were warned that they and their children would be removed if they did not amend their ways..

A baby cannot understand the weak "warning". Worse: NOBODY IN THE AMERICAS HEARD THIS ... "WARNING".
If someone who is hurting my child refuses to follow my warnings to stop or I shoot them - it's not my fault if they get shot..
Wow.... no other option but BRUTAL MURDER, then?
How did Noah screw up?.

Drunkenness. Incest. Or don't those count?
The Bible records Noah getting drunk only once. It is your opinion that anyone who gets drunk once is a "serious screw-up"?.

Absolutely, considering the consequences...
Also, where does it say that Noah had only four sons?.

Oh. My.
The record claims that only four of his sons helped build the Ark and were saved from the Flood, but it does not claim that Noah had only the four children..

Oh. My.
It is possible he had other children - even other wives - that refused to follow the Lord's instruction..

Oh. My. It's also possible Space Pixies are the REAL builders of the Ark, and lying old crafty Noah just stole it and took credit.
According to who? You?.
That bible you never bother reading...
The Bible claims that Noah was "perfect in his generation"..

Yet he commits rape and worse....
It appears that God is more forgiving than you are..

I can forgive WITHOUT A BRUTAL MURDER. Your god? Cannot.

That makes ME MORE moral that your god.
No, it is not "pure imagination". It is a core belief of my religion..

So what?

I'm done with your constant excuses for an IMMORAL, PURE EVIL GOD.
 

Bob the Unbeliever

Well-Known Member
I'm going to play devil's advocate and give you a no excuse answer.

God's authority is not to be questioned or judged. And by definition, he can not do any evil.

He can kill or do whatever the **** he pleases.

Might Makes Right? Except that it doesn't-- that's just a Bully.
 

Bob the Unbeliever

Well-Known Member
That place does not exist..

Your bible does not agree with you.

That idea is based on pagan principles..

Your bible does not agree with you.
Hell is a temporary condition and is not torture of any kind..

Your bible does not agree with you.
Everyone, save those who commit the unpardonable sin, will eventually be forgiven of sin and enter into God's Kingdom.

Your bible does not agree with you.
 

Audie

Veteran Member
Well God does exist. As for your accusations ... I don't think He'll answer to humans. But God is love and I don't believe you have any idea what you're talking about.
The judgement and knowledge of those who argue for noahs
ark and against evolution just is not good for much.
 

JJ50

Well-Known Member
Well God does exist. As for your accusations ... I don't think He'll answer to humans. But God is love and I don't believe you have any idea what you're talking about.

It is you who doesn't know what they are talking about! The god of the Bible is evil if what that story book has to say about it is true. There is absolutely no evidence it actually exist.
 

1213

Well-Known Member
...LOL! Show me ONE PLACE in the bible wherein it's god can manage a "forgive" WITHOUT something being brutally killed first.

The scribes and the Pharisees began to reason, saying, "Who is this that speaks blasphemies? Who can forgive sins, but God alone?" But Jesus, perceiving their thoughts, answered them, "Why are you reasoning so in your hearts? Which is easier to say, 'Your sins are forgiven you;' or to say, 'Arise and walk?' But that you may know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins" (he said to the paralyzed man), "I tell you, arise, and take up your cot, and go to your house." Immediately he rose up before them, and took up that which he was laying on, and departed to his house, glorifying God.
Luke 5:21-25
 

1213

Well-Known Member
All the little children of Egypt, and the "flood'
were evil. Right. "excuses excuses"

Difficult to know. However, by what the Bible tells, if someone has to suffer without deserving it, God compensates it. For example, Job and Jesus, both has to suffer much, but it was compensated. If innocent baby has died because of God, I believe God can have saved the baby to eternal life. That is why I don’t see any problem, if God decides that earthly life ends. I believe God has always good reason and this life is not even meant to last forever. This is only a short lesson and no reason to fear death.

And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
Matt. 10:28
 

Bob the Unbeliever

Well-Known Member
The scribes and the Pharisees began to reason, saying, "Who is this that speaks blasphemies? Who can forgive sins, but God alone?" But Jesus, perceiving their thoughts, answered them, "Why are you reasoning so in your hearts? Which is easier to say, 'Your sins are forgiven you;' or to say, 'Arise and walk?' But that you may know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins" (he said to the paralyzed man), "I tell you, arise, and take up your cot, and go to your house." Immediately he rose up before them, and took up that which he was laying on, and departed to his house, glorifying God.
Luke 5:21-25

Thanks! You prove my case for me: Unless Jesus had been brutally murdered? He'd be incapable of forgiveness.

That's how it works, right?
 

Bob the Unbeliever

Well-Known Member
Difficult to know. However, by what the Bible tells, if someone has to suffer without deserving it, God compensates it. For example, Job and Jesus, both has to suffer much, but it was compensated. If innocent baby has died because of God, I believe God can have saved the baby to eternal life. That is why I don’t see any problem, if God decides that earthly life ends. I believe God has always good reason and this life is not even meant to last forever. This is only a short lesson and no reason to fear death.

And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
Matt. 10:28

Oh, my mistake! I did not realize: Brutally murder your whole family, and? God will make a do-over, new family.

It's a pity about all the dead children, who are still dead.

SOUNDS LIKE A BRUTAL BULLY WHO BURNS DOWN YOUR BUSINESS, BUT POLITELY LETS YOU BUY INTO HIS, IN EXCHANGE FOR A MAJORITY STAKE IN THE PROFITS.

To me, the Mafia Boss is far more honest with his intentions...
 

74x12

Well-Known Member
It is you who doesn't know what they are talking about! The god of the Bible is evil if what that story book has to say about it is true. There is absolutely no evidence it actually exist.
You've never met God so you don't know what you're talking about.
 

Bob the Unbeliever

Well-Known Member
Well it's your choice to believe me or not. I'm just saying we can't say God is evil until we've met Him in person and then we can decide.

Good day

God would have to exist, first. But agreed-- if there is a god, it may or may not be evil.

However. 100% of the book gods, as described? Appear to be quite evil. As described.

It's a darn good thing none of them are real as well.
 

JJ50

Well-Known Member
Well it's your choice to believe me or not. I'm just saying we can't say God is evil until we've met Him in person and then we can decide.

Good day
So are you saying that the evil things in the Bible, which are attributed to it might not be true?
 

Bob the Unbeliever

Well-Known Member
It tells Jesus had right to forgive sins before his death and death was not necessary for to forgive sins.

But that's not what is actually written... that's only your attempt to "rewrite" what is actually there, into something ... perhaps... a wee bit less brutal.

Nice try. But ultimately still a fail: Christianity hinges on a god who requires a brutal murder, before it can get sufficient "mojo" to forgive.

Worse: It uses the immoral idea of a "scape goat" as it's central theme.

Scape Goating is immoral.
 
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