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Can God be proven to exist?

TagliatelliMonster

TagliatelliMonster

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leov said:
But it is...,
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It's not. Just like your previous example wasn't. And I explained how it wasn't.
Again: radiowaves can be objectively detected by anyone with specific tests.
You have nothing like that for your "god feelings".

[qutoe]
there are things we just do not know yet[/quote]

Then perhaps you shouldn't pretend to know them, if that's the case?

...background radiation - was discovered fairly recently but it always was around.
Just imagine that some people are able to feel 'radiation of God kind' as ancients called detection organ 'the third eye'
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Or "imagine" (idd) that some people are able to feel their inner thetans? Or other, mutually exclusive, gods that you do NOT believe in?

And we're back to square one.....................................
The question was, how do we differentiate all those contradicting claims? How do we find out who is righ, if anyone even is?

and science just has not discovered it yet,how much do we know about human brain, consciousness? Not much.
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And if we take that particular line of thought and drive it home, we have to conclude that YOU, who is making these claims, have no leg to stand on.

And so we end up with our atheist position: there is no reason to believe you and you don't even have a proper reason to believe yourself. It's impossible to differentiate between YOUR faith based claims and Tom Cruise's faith based claims. And that isn't just the case for us, it's also the case for you AND Tom Cruise.


So..... call me when you can support your claims with objective evidence, if that day will ever come.
Won't hold my breath though.
 
Yokefellow

Yokefellow

Active Member
The problem isn't proving God's existence, One could do that all day long...

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The problem is accepting the proof.

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leov

leov

Well-Known Member
TagliatelliMonster said:
It's not. Just like your previous example wasn't. And I explained how it wasn't.
Again: radiowaves can be objectively detected by anyone with specific tests.
You have nothing like that for your "god feelings".

[qutoe]
there are things we just do not know yet
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Then perhaps you shouldn't pretend to know them, if that's the case?



Or "imagine" (idd) that some people are able to feel their inner thetans? Or other, mutually exclusive, gods that you do NOT believe in?

And we're back to square one.....................................
The question was, how do we differentiate all those contradicting claims? How do we find out who is righ, if anyone even is?



And if we take that particular line of thought and drive it home, we have to conclude that YOU, who is making these claims, have no leg to stand on.

And so we end up with our atheist position: there is no reason to believe you and you don't even have a proper reason to believe yourself. It's impossible to differentiate between YOUR faith based claims and Tom Cruise's faith based claims. And that isn't just the case for us, it's also the case for you AND Tom Cruise.


So..... call me when you can support your claims with objective evidence, if that day will ever come.
Won't hold my breath though.[/QUOTE]
You can detect it, yes, but if you know ranges or types, e.t.c., it may be much higher , we are only at starting point with neuroscience. Ancient Gnostics were talking about density of spiritual 'material' or vibrations, e.g. hylic, psychic, pneumatic, and grades of them.
 
Muffled

Muffled

Jesus in me
firedragon said:
Maybe this may not come as a high level discussion, but I just wish to know some views on "Can God be proven to exist". I am a theist, and I do personally believe that this proving God exists thing can never be done. I also believe that various people have varying concepts of God and most of us judge by our personal standards.

  1. But as an Atheist, what would you think is evidence of a God to exist?
  2. Also, as a theist, what would you accept as evidence?
  3. And if you have the patience to write a little more, what is the concept of God you have in your mind?
Thank you in advance.
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I believe I am proof that God exists.

I believe God is a Spirit, is omnipresent, omnipotent, omniscient,just and merciful and above all good.
 
Muffled

Muffled

Jesus in me
Altfish said:
As an atheist, I would want proof that stands up to scrutiny and is repeatable.
Currently it could be argued there is more proof that Harry Potter exists than there is that God exists.

What would that 'proof' be? Good question.
The trouble is, what is god? He/she is different to different people.
Is he the creator of the universe? Maybe the god could create a new solar system.
Is he omnipresent? Maybe he could be in two (or more) places at once.
If he is all caring and loving; maybe he could cure childhood cancer.

You get the idea, it'd have to be an impressive proof because his followers claim impressive things for him.
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I believe you have to be exceptionally ignorant to make such a statement.

I believe some people refuse to be impressed or believe anything.
 
nPeace

nPeace

Veteran Member
JJ50 said:
None of that is evidence of the existence of a god.
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It is.
However, I understand why you deny it, but you gave no reason why it is not. Nor what it is evidence of, if not God.
It is clear evidence of God, and I gave clear reasons why.

TagliatelliMonster said:
You are just preaching your religion.
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I am not.
However, I understand why someone in denial would just say that as though it is true - even though they can't prove it.
 
Altfish

Altfish

Veteran Member
Muffled said:
I believe you have to be exceptionally ignorant to make such a statement.

I believe some people refuse to be impressed or believe anything.
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Those are strong statements.

I certainly am not 'ignorant', so to say I am exceptionally ignorant is ignorant in itself.

I am impressed with many thing, good music; great literature; my family; my friends; the earth; the universe; etc. all impress me.
Claims of god(s) do not; they are based on faith, not evidence.
 
firedragon

firedragon

Veteran Member
syo said:
That's my answer to your question. Am I going to decide the evidence? Isn't the evidence global???
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Yes. I am asking you to decide what evidence would suffice for you. Thats the whole point of the OP. I am not trying to prove anything here.
 
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