MonkeyFire
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Lucifer fell defending st. Michael against satan. Jesus is the true light of the world... satan masquerades as a angel of light. These two verses make my path clear.
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He was a murderer from the beginning.
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Lucifer fell defending st. Michael against satan. Jesus is the true light of the world... satan masquerades as a angel of light. These two verses make my path clear.
A murderer from the beginning in desire or personality?
74x12
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Everyone by tempting them to sin. And Abel; literally by convincing Cain to do it.
LightofTruth
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If you read Paul, he gives the sin that dwells in him a personality. He personifies it. He calls it a God, Ruler, Master and Prince. For example, he says that if he does what he wills not, it is no longer he that does it but the sin that dwells in his flesh.
Paul knows in his mind what is right but when he does what is wrong he says it's the sin in his flesh Ruling over him.
Sin in the flesh therefore does not care about God's laws it only seeks to satisfy its insatiable desires. And a person is to rule over his flesh rather than the other way around.
In the garden, the serpent has come to represent the sin in the flesh of Adam and Eve since they let their desires rule over them. And that sin or lust in the flesh is called/personified the devil and Satan
Sounds good to me!
MonkeyFire
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If you cant save Lucifer your not saving Adam as both are fallen.
LightofTruth
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Jesus, like Paul, personifies the sin in the flesh when he calls it the father of lies and a murderer.
Because Adam allowed his sinful flesh to decide to take the fruit, the sinful flesh, or devil, is responsible for what resulted, death.
Just like Paul, when Adam did what he knew he ought not, it was no longer he that did it but the sin which dwelt in him. And like James says,temptation is drawn by ones own lust and lust gives birth to sin and sin death.
LightofTruth
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We know from Scripture that Adam's sin has brought death to everyone like him. Paul says:
12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: 13(For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law. 14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
The sin that was in the world was the sin in the flesh of Adam. It was not accounted as sin until the introduction of law.
12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: 13(For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law. 14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
The sin that was in the world was the sin in the flesh of Adam. It was not accounted as sin until the introduction of law.
74x12
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Why do you want that enemy saved? All he cares about is destroying humans. So he accuses them and fights any of them that want to do righteous deeds. Patience has ended for him a long time ago. Remember that even humans can do the unforgivable sin. How much more angels who have been in the presence of God in heaven?
Samantha Rinne
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Don't you know? It's not God's fault people die. He doesn't kill them (as atheists widely believe). They die because Knowing Good and Evil is a poison. This is why God drove Adam and Eve out of the garden of Eden. Who instigated all of this? A snake which is usually believed to be the devil.
Therefore, the person the devil murders... is everyone.
LightofTruth
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Knowing what is good and what is evil is a poison? I don't think so. And neither does the Scripture. The serpent simply prompted what was already in Eve, sin. It is sin that brings death. And Adam's sin has brought death to everyone.
Good-Ole-Rebel
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Neither Adam or Eve had any sin in them prior to eating of the tree.
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LightofTruth
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According to Scripture they did.
Good-Ole-Rebel
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If you are referring to (Rom. 5:12-14) that you presented in post #(28), you are incorrect. There is nothing there that says there was sin in Adam and Eve before they ate of the fruit. In fact it is proof of just the opposite.
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LightofTruth
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It is not my own transgressions that cause my death. It is Adam's transgression that causes my death.
LightofTruth
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What Paul is saying is that men died from Adam to Moses even though they had not the law nor because they committed Adam's sin (transgression). They died because they were IN ADAM when he sinned. All sinned in Adam because they are all of his same nature when he sinned. It is the nature of Adam and everyone after him to be sinful. Even if they are not given God's laws, nor enter into covenant with Him they still will die because of their nature.
Good-Ole-Rebel
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So? That doesn't prove any sin in Adam and Eve before they ate of the fruit.
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Good-Ole-Rebel
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Nothing you said proves that there was sin in Adam and Eve before they ate of the fruit. Yes, all died in Adam when he ate. That doesn't prove there was sin in Adam before he ate.
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