God and a after life

Aupmanyav said:

Seems that you do not have much interest in Astronomy.

That is only a matter of convention of what can be termed as a planet (IAU definition of planet - Wikipedia). Actually, we have millions of asteroids* (largest, Ceres, with a diameter of 1,000 km), Centaurs (largest, Chariklo, with a diameter of 250 km) and comets, which revolve around the sun.

* "The asteroid belt contains tens of thousands, possibly millions, of objects over one kilometre in diameter." Solar System - Wikipedia

Asteroid Belt, Ceres, Kuiper Belt.

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Nor do you.

Planet Nine is a hypothetical planet in the outer region of the Solar System. Its gravitational effects could explain the unusual clustering of orbits for a group of extreme trans-Neptunian objects (eTNOs), bodies beyond Neptune that orbit the Sun at distances averaging more than 250 times that of the Earth.

In Depth | Hypothetical Planet X – NASA Solar System Exploration

We Never Know said:

Also, 105 people die every minute. They don't get a tomorrow.

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Yeah, there is no tomorrow, today or yesterday for people who are dead. 'You live only once'. Don't be under misconceptions.

We Never Know said:

Ah! So you think everything is guaranteed/take everything for granted. That's Interesting.

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I do not know what you want to include in this 'everything'. Yes, a many things are crystal clear except for those who take faith as reality.

Aupmanyav said:

Yeah, there is no tomorrow, today or yesterday for people who are dead. 'You live only once'. Don't be under misconceptions.

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It's actually "you only live once(YOLO) and the person that died at 10pm tonight did have a today and a yesterday, he just won't have a tomorrow.

We Never Know said:

Nor do you.

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If there is one, we will know in time. No problem about it. It will be just one more planet. It has not been observed till now.

"Unless Planet Nine is observed, its existence is purely conjectural. Several alternative theories have been proposed to explain the observed clustering of TNOs." Planet Nine - Wikipedia

Aupmanyav said:

Yeah, there is no tomorrow, today or yesterday for people who are dead. 'You live only once'. Don't be under misconceptions.I do not know what you want to include in this 'everything'. Yes, a many things are crystal clear except for those who take faith as reality.

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Also, what is the story behind the swastika in your avatar? Do you worship Hitler and the murder of millions or does it represent another story? If so, what is that story?

Aupmanyav said:

If there is one, we will know in time. No problem about it.

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Duh? Read my post again lol. As I said we know about millions of planets thousands of light years away and millions of galaxies millions of light years away but aren't aware of what is even in our own neighbourhood(our solar system)

We Never Know said:

I take you believe in a human creator/a god and that he/she/it should be honored.
If we we are a product of nature/evolution with no god/creator needed, what then?

Just a simple question. Do you need to believe in a creator/god to live a good life and live right or do you think you would live the same life of doing right without a creator/god?

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Thank you for responding to me
Wishing you success and blessing


I didn't find a skyscraper building built without an engineer
Isn't it logical if you see a fifty-storey building it's founded without a building engineer

As well as the universe, there must be a skillful sane engineer characterized by experience, wisdom and knowledge

Just want someone to answer me
Is there a self-formed skyscraper

It is true that science discovers many things that always lead us to doubt or to put probabilities against our faith, but theories remain and there is no substantiated evidence.

I hope you answer me honestly
Do you find a skyscraper found without an engineer and I would be grateful to you all my life


Suppose
Nature in the universe has enormous possibilities and abilities to survive knowing that it is unreasonable or without the existence of life in it? !!!

How we classify the universe (nature) as irrational while having the ability to survive
Now man is strongly focused and science is pushing for long-term livelihoods

On the idea of man is a very stupid being very poor with the possibilities and life cycle does not exceed 70 years as the average age.

Nature is created, recycled and programmed

thanks

We Never Know said:

Also, what is the story behind the swastika in your avatar? Do you worship Hitler and the murder of millions or does it represent another story? If so, what is that story?

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Many people have asked me this question and have been satisfactorily replied to. No, we (Hindus, for whom Swastika is an emblem of welfare of everything in the universe) do not worship Hitler. Hindus too fought with the Allies in WWII and gave their lives.

"Over 87,000 Indian soldiers (including those from modern day Pakistan, Nepal, and Bangladesh) died in World War II." India in World War II - Wikipedia

I would request you to kindly go through the post here to know why I have this avatara: Why no avatar..?

We Never Know said:

Also, what is the story behind the swastika in your avatar? Do you worship Hitler and the murder of millions or does it represent another story? If so, what is that story?

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That’s not even the right Swastika lol
Hitler turned it on an angle. I find it kind of ironic that a man who essentially represents white supremacy in the Modern West is most recognisable through a symbol that is universal and found in every culture pretty much.
Hell the word Swastika isn’t even German. It’s Sanskrit.
(I think even Jewish tribes used to use it before Hitler. But don’t quote me on that.)

SomeRandom said:

(I think even Jewish tribes used to use it before Hitler. But don’t quote me on that.)

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No problem. I have included the photographs of synagogues where Swastika was used by the Jews in that topic.

We Never Know said:

Duh? Read my post again lol. As I said we know about millions of planets thousands of light years away and millions of galaxies millions of light years away but aren't aware of what is even in our own neighbourhood(our solar system)

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If it exists, it is a small planet, smaller than Neptune, and at a great distance from earth (60 to 120 billion km away (some 50 times the distance of earth from Sun), 5 or 10 times heavier than earth (Jupiter in our close neighborhood is 318 times as heavy as Earth). It may be influencing the orbits of Uranus and Neptune. So, how does it matter?

We Never Know said:

No one knows if there is anything after death. There is no evidence of either.

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I just want to say that I believe in an afterlife beyond reasonable doubt based on the evidence and not faith. Here is just a little Afterlife Evidence I find impressive.

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We Never Know said:

No one knows if a god does or doesn't exist. No one knows if there is anything after death. There is no evidence of either. That being said we say those that accept both/either is faith based.

Does that mean those that don't accept them are faithless because it's all about evidence? I doubt that because they have faith in other things like their kids for example even when sometimes the evidence shows different they will still have faith.

If a person is not a scientist does that person have faith to believe what science says or do they just accept it because they have no faith for anything different such as a god?

So how and or what dictates what a person will have faith in?

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Well you being alive right now is adequate evidence of life after death. You were dead before you were born, and here you are now.

And God certainly doesn't exist, the evidence is the complete silence and absence of any type of God whatsoever.

2000 plus years and not a peep from any type of God is pretty strong evidence if you ask me.
In fact, it's a pretty safe bet there was not even a god since the formation of the Earth, except of course for the imagination of the first person who invented it.

We Never Know said:

No one knows if a god does or doesn't exist. No one knows if there is anything after death. There is no evidence of either. That being said we say those that accept both/either is faith based.

Does that mean those that don't accept them are faithless because it's all about evidence? I doubt that because they have faith in other things like their kids for example even when sometimes the evidence shows different they will still have faith.

If a person is not a scientist does that person have faith to believe what science says or do they just accept it because they have no faith for anything different such as a god?

So how and or what dictates what a person will have faith in?

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Personally i evaluate the evidence.

For examples,

I have (subjective) evidence that sculpture of Psyche revived by Cupid's kiss is one of the most beautiful works of art. I have seen it and of 3 days spent visiting the Louvre i spent 1/2 of that time simply examining Canova's masterpiece.

I have faith that the lakes on titan are methane because the evidence sent back to earth by Cassina.

I have no faith that a god exists because, as you say, there is no evidence

We Never Know said:

No one knows if a god does or doesn't exist. No one knows if there is anything after death.

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"Know" in what sense?

Are you talking about justified absolute certainty? If so, so what? We don't have absolute certainty about anything.

Are you talking about practical certainty? If so, I don't think you're correct.

There is no evidence of either.

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That's not true. There's plenty of evidence that our minds are the product of - or more accurately, are - brain activity. This is evidence that our minds - i.e. us - cease to exist when brain activity stops.

We Never Know said:

Faith is simply believing without knowing

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So you would lump both of these together as "faith?"

- believing something for no good reason at all that the evidence suggests is probably, but not certainly, false.
- believing something for lots of good reasons that the evidence suggests is probably, but not certainly, true.

We Never Know said:

I'm getting older, my brain isn't as sharp as it used to be. With that said....

We say we've seen millions of planets 1000's of light years away, seen millions of galaxies millions of light years away but yet we don't even know what exists in our own neighbourhood(our solar system, Google the 9th planet).

@Polymath257 how can we know so much about the universe but so little about our solar system?

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It has to do with the level of detail we know.

For example, we know of planets that orbit other stars. We knew of the *existence* of planets in our solar sytem quite long ago, probably before we knew how to write. We know very little about them other than (perhaps) their mass and their orbits. We knew that information about planets in our solar system centuries ago.

We are just beginning to be able to determine what the atmospheres of some of those distant planets are composed of. We knew that for planets in our solar system in the mid 1800's.

You are exaggerating a bit. We know of *thousands* of other planets, but not millions (yet), although we certainly expect billions to be out there.

As for the galaxies, we only know what we know about them from their light. That light carries information about their composition, temperature, and velocity (through the spectrum). We can often look at the dynamics of stars in those galaxies and that allows us to determine mass.

But, for example, we are asking questions about the weather on Mars, the formation of water channels billions of years ago, etc. Those are questions we are nowhere close to even being able to hope to answer for more distant planets. We have sent probes to every planet in our solar system at this point. So we know, often in detail, what the look like. We have no such detail for other star systems.

Even for other stars, we know *far* more about our sun than we do for the billions of other stars. We can watch sunspots and the rise and fall of their numbers over the past few centuries. We can watch the formation of prominences and study in detail the magnetic fields as well as the solar 'wind'. While we suspect such processes exist on other stars, we actually *know* that about very few.

We Never Know said:

Faith is simply believing without knowing.

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OK, I feel that is lumping together some quite distinct phenomena.

For example, I can have *confidence* to a high degree that my wife won't kill me in my sleep. That confidence is based on evidence accumulated over the years and I very much hesitate to call it 'faith'.

I can also have *confidence* that a licensed plumber knows what they are doing. That is the job of the licensing authorities to ensure, and it seems that (mostly) they do their job.

I can have *confidence* in (most) science simply because there is knowledge there to be gained and I understand the general process of testing all ideas as being useful for finding out new things. The scientists are people whose careers are based on being correct *and* there is knowledge they have access to.

For me, 'faith' is far beyond believing without knowing. It is believing when there is no way to know. The reason people still debate about whether God exists or not is that *no* evidence has been enough to get past even that basic point. So, to go beyond that and guess what God wants or does not want, what scripture, if any, is validly from God, or to conduct one's life to please such an unknowable entity (if it even exists) seems to be of a quite different thing than the confidence in a licensed plumber.

We Never Know said:

No one knows if a god does or doesn't exist. No one knows if there is anything after death. There is no evidence of either. That being said we say those that accept both/either is faith based.

Does that mean those that don't accept them are faithless because it's all about evidence? I doubt that because they have faith in other things like their kids for example even when sometimes the evidence shows different they will still have faith.

If a person is not a scientist does that person have faith to believe what science says or do they just accept it because they have no faith for anything different such as a god?

So how and or what dictates what a person will have faith in?

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"a after life"

OT but I was glad to see a convert to my
campaign to promote the glottal stop in English,
and eliminate the tedious and unneccessary
addition of the letter "n" to a simple article.

We Never Know said:

I'm getting older, my brain isn't as sharp as it used to be. With that said....

We say we've seen millions of planets 1000's of light years away, seen millions of galaxies millions of light years away but yet we don't even know what exists in our own neighbourhood(our solar system, Google the 9th planet).

@Polymath257 how can we know so much about the universe but so little about our solar system?

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As one of our great philosopher-poets put it-
I don't even know where we are
They tell us we're circling a star
Well I'll take their word for I don't know
But I'm dizzy so maybe that's so