Satan was NOT the serpent in the Garden of Eden.

calm said:

If you look at the whole context in Genesis 3, then it becomes clear that it must have been a real serpent.
See the scriptures I mentioned above.

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lostwanderingsoul said:

Why would a snake try to tempt anyone? Satan wanted humans to follow him instead of following God. A snake wpuld not care.

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lostwanderingsoul said:

Also if you bother to read the Bible you will see that Revelation 12:9 says that Satan is "that old serpent".

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Audie said:

Funny how this most cursed animal is so successful
with thousands of species all over the world.

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viole said:

What’ so cunning in fighting a being that cannot possibly lose?

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URAVIP2ME said:

Because it is Satan who will eat ' bite the dust ' because Jesus will destroy Satan

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URAVIP2ME said:

Soon, the issue of who governs best will be settled once and for all time to come.

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URAVIP2ME said:

So, the idea of snakes/serpents in worship or being revered is false.

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lostwanderingsoul said:

And how does that prove Satan is not the serpent in the Garden of Eden?

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lostwanderingsoul said:

Satan had many reasons to tempt Eve. A real snake would have no reason.

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TagliatelliMonster said:

Yes, that sounds quite unbelievable. In the literal sense. As in: it can not be rationally believed.

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Kelly of the Phoenix said:

But the serpent is based on other similar characters in similar myths.


But Satan is literally not in the actual story. Just because John be trippin' doesn't mean he's telling the truth.


Happens all the time:

God: Man will have to toil in the fields.
Man: LOL. I invented tractors.
God: Woman will have painful childbirth.
Woman: LOL. We invented painkillers.
God: I don't like tall buildings.
Architects: LOL. The Tower of Babel was downright quaint.
God: I'll confuse their languages.
Internet: LOL. We have translator apps.


The bible is a bunch of books chronicling an insecure deity who thinks some random bald primates can do better than Him.

He doesn't WANT us to be successful. He was sure He had groomed us to depend on Him like a child but we're adults. My own mother can't handle the fact that children are supposed to grow up.


Why? Jesus said we are to love our enemies. Why does Jesus get out of his own judgment?


God couldn't run Israel except into the ground. He doesn't get to lecture us about how to govern.


What does the ending of Mark have to do with what other cultures believe?


Because the actual story doesn't mention him?


The serpent knew God was lying about the real reason A&E couldn't eat the fruit. God implied it was poisonous or something because He said it'd kill them the day they ate it. But it wasn't. God just didn't want them to eat magic god power-granting fruit. The serpent felt that lying was wrong, so he explained it to them. God verifies VERBATIM the serpent's version of events mere paragraphs later.


It's also irrational to believe A&E had much of a language fresh out the gate.

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calm said:

Many think that the devil was the serpent in the Garden of Eden who seduced Eve to eat the fruit of the tree from which God had forbidden. This assertion, which is widespread, is false.
The serpent in the Garden of Eden was literally a serpent and not an angel. This becomes clear when one looks at the whole context.
The serpent is described in Genesis 3:1 as "the craftiest beast in the field" and not as an angel.
In Genesis 3:14, God curses the serpent because it deceived Eve, for he said, "Because you have done this, cursed are you above all livestock and above all beasts of the field; on your belly you shall go, and dust you shall eat all the days of your life."
God said, "Cursed be the serpent among all the beasts of the field," and not among all the angels.
And God said, "You shall Crawl on your belly, and eat dust all the days of your life". Does the devil crawl on his belly today and eat dust? Of course not. But the serpents that we know and see today do that. This and the other statements describe clearly and literally a snake and no angel.
And yes I know that the devil is described in the New Testament as a snake in 2 passages, but this is only to be understood symbolically. The "serpent" symbolizes the cunning, because the devil is cunning in what he does he is therefore called a snake.
Jesus also describes the Pharisees as "serpents" for their treacherous nature. (Matthew 23:33)

Now the question is whether animals really spoke, and as unbelievable as it sounds, the animals really pronounced words like humans. From the day the animals were created and from the day Adam and Eve were created, everyone could talk to each other until the day Eve ate from the tree of fruit from which God had forbidden, because from then on God silenced the animals so that they could no longer speak.
And the language the animals and Adam and Eve spoke to each other is the ancient original Hebrew. This language is the language of God, it was spoken from the animals until the sin of Eve, spoken by man until the destruction of the tower of Babel (through Abraham the Original Hebrew came back into the world because he was taught by the angels) and is still spoken in heaven by God and the angels today and for all eternity.

All information comes from the book "Lesser Genesis" and from the book "Genesis".

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calm said:

Many think that the devil was the serpent in the Garden of Eden who seduced Eve to eat the fruit of the tree from which God had forbidden. This assertion, which is widespread, is false.
The serpent in the Garden of Eden was literally a serpent and not an angel. This becomes clear when one looks at the whole context.
The serpent is described in Genesis 3:1 as "the craftiest beast in the field" and not as an angel.
In Genesis 3:14, God curses the serpent because it deceived Eve, for he said, "Because you have done this, cursed are you above all livestock and above all beasts of the field; on your belly you shall go, and dust you shall eat all the days of your life."
God said, "Cursed be the serpent among all the beasts of the field," and not among all the angels.
And God said, "You shall Crawl on your belly, and eat dust all the days of your life". Does the devil crawl on his belly today and eat dust? Of course not. But the serpents that we know and see today do that. This and the other statements describe clearly and literally a snake and no angel.
And yes I know that the devil is described in the New Testament as a snake in 2 passages, but this is only to be understood symbolically. The "serpent" symbolizes the cunning, because the devil is cunning in what he does he is therefore called a snake.
Jesus also describes the Pharisees as "serpents" for their treacherous nature. (Matthew 23:33)

Now the question is whether animals really spoke, and as unbelievable as it sounds, the animals really pronounced words like humans. From the day the animals were created and from the day Adam and Eve were created, everyone could talk to each other until the day Eve ate from the tree of fruit from which God had forbidden, because from then on God silenced the animals so that they could no longer speak.
And the language the animals and Adam and Eve spoke to each other is the ancient original Hebrew. This language is the language of God, it was spoken from the animals until the sin of Eve, spoken by man until the destruction of the tower of Babel (through Abraham the Original Hebrew came back into the world because he was taught by the angels) and is still spoken in heaven by God and the angels today and for all eternity.

All information comes from the book "Lesser Genesis" and from the book "Genesis".

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QuestioningMind said:

God curses the serpent because it deceived Eve, for he said, "Because you have done this, cursed are you above all livestock and above all beasts of the field; on your belly you shall go, and dust you shall eat all the days of your life."

So you are claiming that the serpent in the garden originally had legs and it wasn't until the serpent deceived Eve that God 'cursed it' by forcing it to 'go upon its belly'? Are you claiming that the serpent was actually a lizard? How confusing.

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calm said:

Yes, I believe that serpents, before Eve's sin, had legs.

It has now even been scientifically proven that snakes once had legs.
Here is the source: https://www.cell.com/current-biology/fulltext/S0960-9822(16)31069-7

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QuestioningMind said:

I see, so god used evolution to take the serpent's legs away

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calm said:

The snakes did not lose their legs through a "snake-evolution", as science claims, but through God.

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calm said:

The way science tries to explain why snakes have lost their legs is of course wrong.
The snakes did not lose their legs through a "snake-evolution", as science claims, but through God. As punishment for what the first serpent did, they lost their legs; and that on the same day.

The fact is, science has only recently discovered that snakes once had legs. But the book of Genesis already knew it for over two thousand years.
One more proof that the Bible is the truth.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipe...y_hindlegs_spurs_in_Boa_constrictor_snake.jpg

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lostwanderingsoul said:

Also if you bother to read the Bible you will see that Revelation 12:9 says that Satan is "that old serpent".

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calm said:

Many think that the devil was the serpent in the Garden of Eden who seduced Eve to eat the fruit of the tree from which God had forbidden. This assertion, which is widespread, is false.
The serpent in the Garden of Eden was literally a serpent and not an angel. This becomes clear when one looks at the whole context.
The serpent is described in Genesis 3:1 as "the craftiest beast in the field" and not as an angel.
In Genesis 3:14, God curses the serpent because it deceived Eve, for he said, "Because you have done this, cursed are you above all livestock and above all beasts of the field; on your belly you shall go, and dust you shall eat all the days of your life."
God said, "Cursed be the serpent among all the beasts of the field," and not among all the angels.
And God said, "You shall Crawl on your belly, and eat dust all the days of your life". Does the devil crawl on his belly today and eat dust? Of course not. But the serpents that we know and see today do that. This and the other statements describe clearly and literally a snake and no angel.
And yes I know that the devil is described in the New Testament as a snake in 2 passages, but this is only to be understood symbolically. The "serpent" symbolizes the cunning, because the devil is cunning in what he does he is therefore called a snake.
Jesus also describes the Pharisees as "serpents" for their treacherous nature. (Matthew 23:33)

Now the question is whether animals really spoke, and as unbelievable as it sounds, the animals really pronounced words like humans. From the day the animals were created and from the day Adam and Eve were created, everyone could talk to each other until the day Eve ate from the tree of fruit from which God had forbidden, because from then on God silenced the animals so that they could no longer speak.
And the language the animals and Adam and Eve spoke to each other is the ancient original Hebrew. This language is the language of God, it was spoken from the animals until the sin of Eve, spoken by man until the destruction of the tower of Babel (through Abraham the Original Hebrew came back into the world because he was taught by the angels) and is still spoken in heaven by God and the angels today and for all eternity.

All information comes from the book "Lesser Genesis" and from the book "Genesis".

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epronovost said:

If you take the historical context in which the myth of Adam and Eve and the temptation arised from, the character of the serpent was indeed a "simple" serpent. It wasn't an enemy of God, some sort of anti-God, creature who took the appearence of a serpent as the character of Satan as the enemy of God wasn't yet established in Hebrew mythology. Or at least not when the myth first started to be propagated. Of course, now, in light of other changes and further development of the narrative, it's mostly believed that the serpent was indeed Satan or, before him, Lilith in bid for revenge against Adam who had her banished.

In the Old Testament, Lucifer/Satan, is actually in service to God and both of them are "friends" for lack of better words. The function of Satan is basically to be a nay-sayer which was a respectable position in the court of the kings of the time (always have someone who doesn't always agree with you around you to avoid making mistakes or growing complacent). Only later, with contact with zorastrian philosophy and religion did the idea of some sort of anti-god emerged in Hebrew mythology. Let's remember that certain part of the Old Testament are nearly as distant from the NT as we are distant from the NT ourselves. There is a mountain of social, political ad philosophical evolution in this time frame. The myth is of course allegorical, a fable or "fairy tale" meant to teach lessons about the harshness of life and the loss of innocence as a person gains knowledge, wisdom and experience; the simple reassuring life under the aegis of the parents is transformed into the insecurity and weight of responsability of the adult world.

Who or what the serpent is in this myth isn't really important to the moral of the story. It's symbolic is also mostly lost on a modern audience who isn't well versed in ancient Mesopotamian culture and mythology. For them the snake was a common archetype in stories as a guardian of secrets and knowledge, but also as a devious enemy that looks very much inoffensive until it strikes.

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David1967 said:

Not to mention that in some cultures the serpent is revered.

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