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Are you Greater than an Ape?

for lack of ability?.....does animals believe?

  • no....they cannot

    Votes: 3 33.3%
  • we are dust as they are dust

    Votes: 6 66.7%
  • faith saves

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    9
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Thief

Rogue Theologian
Failure to consider fabricated conundrums hardly seems like a negative.

Humans need lots of therapy and even medication to arrive at such naked simplicity. Meditation works for some people too, unless they are actually seeking The Irrefutable Proposition.

In which case they’re sc**wed.
and if that Irrefutable Proposition is not there to free you from your carcass

into the ground you go

you're screwed
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
Some human beings are greater than apes. Some are lower than apes. But we human beings have the potential to be greater than apes, if we are trained.
and if the angelic let me in the Door
I expect to be retrained

we have discipline and hierarchy in this life
I do anticipate greater discipline and Hierarchy in the next.....
 

Howard Is

Lucky Mud
and if that Irrefutable Proposition is not there to free you from your carcass

into the ground you go

you're screwed

Ummm...no.
No proposition will save anyone.
That is the most common mistake of theologians and meditators. IMO.

The Immaculate Concept is a fantasy and a time waster.
 

ajay0

Well-Known Member
and does heaven give a damn?

Apes have never created world wars or indulged in mass shootings or serial killings. All they want is their own land and forests intact instead of being in cages in zoos.

Humans can wipe out the whole world with their weapons, but you can never blame apes for it. The world will be fine with apes.

There is a monkey god called Hanuman in Hinduism. It is said that Hanuman is the greatest devotee of God in this universal cycle for which he will be promoted to the rank of Brahma in the next cycle. He is considered superior to even the human devotees for his selfless service, humility and love.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Wanderer From Afar
Premium Member
We are apes so the question doesn't make much sense to me. I chose "we are dust as they are dust" in the poll since we're on the same footing as them. They have their own spiritual destiny as we have ours.
 

SA Huguenot

Well-Known Member
I really do not understand why creationists can get it so wrong despite the myriad evidence.
Let me assist you in your predicament of poor understanding.
I say I am a Human, and you say you are an ape.
I say I have knowledge, you say you dont understand.
The reason for you not understanding has nothing to do with what Christians say, it has everything to do with you admitting you are an ape.
I know you will now report my post, and I will again be in hot water, but the fact is that You are the one incriminating yourself by admitting I am the superior and you are a lower life form.
being an animal, or as you believe, and ape, is the problem you have, not I.
I am quite happy to be a human created by God.
:):rolleyes:o_O
I can only hope that you as an animal will see the irony and comedy you are caught up in.

NB, There is no evidence that man evolved from some hominid.
It is all BS made up by atheists who hates the thought of any God.
Do you know how much fraud was committed by palontologists in an attempt to further this falicy?
Do you know how creative the paleontologists can get to "Interperate" fossil findings?
Look at the Laeotoli footprints for instance.
perfect modern human footprints 3.5 million years old.
Now, look at the "artistic" renderings and you find, an ape with perfect modern human footprints!
I smell something, and if you dont, it is because you agree that evidence of Humans living next to "Homonids" can not be possible.
I say that we have hominids, just another name of extinct apes, living next to Humans.
I say, hey, we have the evidence, we have the ape sculls, and we have human footprints close by.

Therefore, I sincerely hope you can grasp the fact that your Myriad of "Evidence" actually destroys your opinion.
But, If you want to be an ape, youre welcome.
 

SA Huguenot

Well-Known Member
Apes have never created world wars or indulged in mass shootings or serial killings. All they want is their own land and forests intact instead of being in cages in zoos.

Humans can wipe out the whole world with their weapons, but you can never blame apes for it. The world will be fine with apes.

There is a monkey god called Hanuman in Hinduism. It is said that Hanuman is the greatest devotee of God in this universal cycle for which he will be promoted to the rank of Brahma in the next cycle. He is considered superior to even the human devotees for his selfless service, humility and love.
And perhaps it was the Humand thinking they were animals who killed and murdered the way you speak.
And....
If you want to be an Ape, you are welcome.
If you believe your God is an Ape too, its your problem, not mine.
:):D
 

SA Huguenot

Well-Known Member
I don't understand why so many people are telling God how He has to do things.

Why COULDN'T He have used the very laws of nature He created to, er, create?

What's wrong with acknowledging that He just might have created us through evolution? C'mon (and this is NOT aimed at you, Christine...your post is just the trigger, mostly because I tend to agree with it), is there some rule I don't know about that allows US to tell HIM how He has to do things? I thought the idea was for us to discover how He DID do things.

But that could just be me.
And if you do not believe in the Bible in a literal sense, then your opinion is true.
But any person believing in the Bible literally, will never be able to say what you claim.
No one is telling God how he should have created humans, He already did that in Genesis.
It is the agnostics and Atheists that would like the Bible believer to doubt in the Bible.
Period.
 

SA Huguenot

Well-Known Member
What's wrong??? Evidence... Do you have any?

Any that say, disproves DNA?

When, and only when someone shows god magic actually exists and can indipendentely validate that evidence do they have a point.

And evolution, has nothing to do with creation
This is not true!
Evolution has everything to do with Creation.
God tells us how He created everything in Genesis, and atheists tries to use Evolution to say the Bible is wrong!
I challenge anyone to show me that Genesis and Evolution can be reconciled.
 

SA Huguenot

Well-Known Member
Which problem?
According to the definition of "ape" you are. You may not be a "gorilla" or a "chimpanzee," but you are an "ape." You can go ahead using your own definition for the word "ape" all you want, but if you feel you're being insulted or slandered by someone else calling you an "ape" then you are just plain ignorant.
I highly doubt this, and I am quite sure that you cannot provide sufficient evidence for this claim. Just hearsay and a lot of supposition.
Yep.
I am quite sure you have been told (probably hundreds of times now) that all humans ARE apes, and some apes are humans. This is according to very basic logic. The two are not mutually exclusive in any way. It's the same as saying that all watchmakers are humans, and some humans are watchmakers. Exactly the same. Read it, comprehend it, learn it... and stop saying things that only expose your ignorance.
This is likely accurate, but poorly worded.
This is just you trying to be insulting. You're not very good at it. I could give you a few pointers. I charge $25 an hour if you're interested.
If you're talking about atheists in this one then this is just a foolish lie... which makes you a liar.
Persecution huh? Has the meaning of that word changed? Is a person now being "persecuted" when someone questions their beliefs, or tells them they don't believe what they are saying? Sounds more like "applied skepticism" - and if it makes you feel persecuted then I suggest you go find yourself some thicker skin.
Again, we're apes all the way down. No "more" or "less" ape. And all humans will continue being apes until we lack the characteristics that qualify us under the category "ape."
Just when I didn't think the post could get any more foolish... you throw in a presumptuous statement followed by a slew of emojis. It's obvious you think yourself pretty clever. Weren't you just admonishing some other group of people you accused of thinking so about themselves?
But I agree with you!
If you want to be an Ape, you are welcome!
 

SA Huguenot

Well-Known Member
It is not a matter of wanting. Your logic skills may need a tune up.
But it is logical.
If you want to be an ape, no problem.
But dont you dare to call me one!
Such an insult can be taken to court for crimin injuria.

I would like to see your family pictures.
Who is the least ape, mom or dad?
:D
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
But it is logical.
If you want to be an ape, no problem.
But dont you dare to call me one!
Such an insult can be taken to court for crimin injuria.

I would like to see your family pictures.
Who is the least ape, mom or dad?
:D
No, logic is a skill that you are not using right now. That you are an ape is a demonstrable fact. And you cannot take a person to court for making factual claims about you. Now you may not want to bean ape, but there is not much you can do about that.

And your father and mother were apes too. Neither on of them can be the "least ape". Both of your parents are 100% ape. Just as they are 100% vertebrates.

I know, I know, fear can be a terrible deterrent to reason.
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
Let me assist you in your predicament of poor understanding.
I say I am a Human, and you say you are an ape.
I say I have knowledge, you say you dont understand.
The reason for you not understanding has nothing to do with what Christians say, it has everything to do with you admitting you are an ape.
I know you will now report my post, and I will again be in hot water, but the fact is that You are the one incriminating yourself by admitting I am the superior and you are a lower life form.
being an animal, or as you believe, and ape, is the problem you have, not I.
I am quite happy to be a human created by God.
:):rolleyes:o_O
I can only hope that you as an animal will see the irony and comedy you are caught up in.

NB, There is no evidence that man evolved from some hominid.
It is all BS made up by atheists who hates the thought of any God.
Do you know how much fraud was committed by palontologists in an attempt to further this falicy?
Do you know how creative the paleontologists can get to "Interperate" fossil findings?
Look at the Laeotoli footprints for instance.
perfect modern human footprints 3.5 million years old.
Now, look at the "artistic" renderings and you find, an ape with perfect modern human footprints!
I smell something, and if you dont, it is because you agree that evidence of Humans living next to "Homonids" can not be possible.
I say that we have hominids, just another name of extinct apes, living next to Humans.
I say, hey, we have the evidence, we have the ape sculls, and we have human footprints close by.

Therefore, I sincerely hope you can grasp the fact that your Myriad of "Evidence" actually destroys your opinion.
But, If you want to be an ape, youre welcome.


The evidence is conclusive, homo sapiens are apes and animals. To believe otherwise is simply delusion forced on you by a very ignorant branch of religious faith

Why should i report you post, you are welcome to your opinion no no matter how wrong it is.

Evidence
DNA, it does not lie
Also see Human Evolution Evidence

So your evidence for fraud is???

Now your turn, please provide, valid, falsifiable, peer reviewed evidence that destroys my knowledge? You made the claim now you really should put your claimed evidence forward
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
This is not true!
Evolution has everything to do with Creation.
God tells us how He created everything in Genesis, and atheists tries to use Evolution to say the Bible is wrong!
I challenge anyone to show me that Genesis and Evolution can be reconciled.


This is nonsense.

Creation is the making of a thing

Evolution is the development of a thing

Once a thing is made it does not continue to be made

How many times gave you been challenged to to show god magic exists???
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Let me assist you in your predicament of poor understanding.
I say I am a Human, and you say you are an ape.
I say I have knowledge, you say you dont understand.
The reason for you not understanding has nothing to do with what Christians say, it has everything to do with you admitting you are an ape.
I know you will now report my post, and I will again be in hot water, but the fact is that You are the one incriminating yourself by admitting I am the superior and you are a lower life form.
being an animal, or as you believe, and ape, is the problem you have, not I.
I am quite happy to be a human created by God.
:):rolleyes:o_O
I can only hope that you as an animal will see the irony and comedy you are caught up in.

NB, There is no evidence that man evolved from some hominid.
It is all BS made up by atheists who hates the thought of any God.
Do you know how much fraud was committed by palontologists in an attempt to further this falicy?
Do you know how creative the paleontologists can get to "Interperate" fossil findings?
Look at the Laeotoli footprints for instance.
perfect modern human footprints 3.5 million years old.
Now, look at the "artistic" renderings and you find, an ape with perfect modern human footprints!
I smell something, and if you dont, it is because you agree that evidence of Humans living next to "Homonids" can not be possible.
I say that we have hominids, just another name of extinct apes, living next to Humans.
I say, hey, we have the evidence, we have the ape sculls, and we have human footprints close by.

Therefore, I sincerely hope you can grasp the fact that your Myriad of "Evidence" actually destroys your opinion.
But, If you want to be an ape, youre welcome.
I see, another person that does not understand what is and what is not evidence.

Religion can cause so much delusion.

If you claim to be a human then you are logically claiming to be an ape. If you aren't an ape what are you? A giraffe? A zebra with above average intelligence?
 
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