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Boris Johnson - let's see how he and his government performs....

Altfish

Veteran Member
Johnson's deal will ..
  • Leave us worse off than May's deal
  • Put a border inside the UK
  • Will lead to Scottish Independence
  • Will mean that different parts of the UK are treated differently

But somehow this is better, how?

(Courtesy of Emma Kennedy)
 
it paves the way for deregulation; it allows the reduction in workers rights, environmental standards and consumer rights.

So it's worse because it's more democratic and allows greater control to the British electorate?

To paraphrase Henry Kissinger "these issues are too important for the British people to be allowed to decide for themselves".
 

Altfish

Veteran Member
So it's worse because it's more democratic and allows greater control to the British electorate?

To paraphrase Henry Kissinger "these issues are too important for the British people to be allowed to decide for themselves".
No, the only way our current regulations can go is backward,
Workers rights reduced - do the electorate really want that??
Environmental controls reduced, more pollution - do the electorate really want that?


I notice that you did not quote the whole of my previous post
 

Notanumber

A Free Man
No, the only way our current regulations can go is backward,
Workers rights reduced - do the electorate really want that??
Environmental controls reduced, more pollution - do the electorate really want that?


I notice that you did not quote the whole of my previous post

If the swamp would allow us to have a General Election we could get rid of the dross, elect a better class of politician and they would be capable of doing what the electorate demands of them.
 

Altfish

Veteran Member
If the swamp would allow us to have a General Election we could get rid of the dross, elect a better class of politician and they would be capable of doing what the electorate demands of them.
There will be no GE until Brexit is done; even Johnson isn't that stupid
 
I notice that you did not quote the whole of my previous post
It has an internal border in the UK

Cos that's pretty much a you care or you don't situation. If it's a deal breaker, it's a deal breaker, if not look at the other things.

Is this a major problem for you?

No, the only way our current regulations can go is backward,
Workers rights reduced - do the electorate really want that??
Environmental controls reduced, more pollution - do the electorate really want that?

So the one-size-fits-all compromise mashed out between numerous competing nations is the zenith of enlightened governance that can not be advanced?

If the electorate want, they can vote for which ever party offers them a better deal. The point is you don't think they should have the choice and thus consider it a disadvantage that British people have more democratic control over their own society.

"Democracy is only good if I get what I want. If not, it's bad."
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
If the swamp would allow us to have a General Election we could get rid of the dross, elect a better class of politician and they would be capable of doing what the electorate demands of them.

Don't want much much do you??? A better class of politicians... Wow.

I wonder who voted for this lot of dross...oh right, the electorate
 

Notanumber

A Free Man
Don't want much much do you??? A better class of politicians... Wow.

I wonder who voted for this lot of dross...oh right, the electorate

The electorate has awoken from its slumber since the last GE and can now see the undemocratic influence that the EU has over some of the current incumbents.
 

Altfish

Veteran Member
Cos that's pretty much a you care or you don't situation. If it's a deal breaker, it's a deal breaker, if not look at the other things.

Is this a major problem for you?



So the one-size-fits-all compromise mashed out between numerous competing nations is the zenith of enlightened governance that can not be advanced?

If the electorate want, they can vote for which ever party offers them a better deal. The point is you don't think they should have the choice and thus consider it a disadvantage that British people have more democratic control over their own society.

"Democracy is only good if I get what I want. If not, it's bad."
To be honest, I think a united Ireland would be good and would support that - but the Tories real name is the Conservative and Unionist Party, that includes NI. So why they are promoting it, I don't know.

I believe the UK should be supplying the highest standard of goods, highest safety and environmental protection and the highest standards of worker and consumer protection. For Brexit to work we are going to need the opposite.
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
The electorate has awoken from its slumber since the last GE and can now see the undemocratic influence that the EU has over some of the current incumbents.

You think? The majority of polls done recently show the electorate have little time for far right bull and lies, the numbers for the EU now far exceed the brexit brigade.
 

Notanumber

A Free Man
You think? The majority of polls done recently show the electorate have little time for far right bull and lies, the numbers for the EU now far exceed the brexit brigade.

You might look at the EU through rose tinted glasses but look what is happening in its member states, Spain and France.
 
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