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For creationists: Show evidences for creation of man

ecco

ecco

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osgart said:
I fall to the logic that life must come from other life. My reasoning intuition is that life cannot possibly come from non life because of intentionality in nature.
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That same "reasoning intuition" must tell you that the earth cannot be a sphere rotating at 1000 miles per hour.
That same "reasoning intuition" must tell you that the earth cannot be a sphere revolving about the sun at 67,000 miles per hour.

So, either you believe in a stationary flat earth or you must admit that your "reasoning intuition" has no bearing on the reality of nature.
 
ecco

ecco

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ecco said:
Please provide detailed evidence of who observed the event and how many people and how much time there was between the observed event and its mention in a written form. Be sure to show the basis for your comments.
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dad said:
The witnesses and events are in what is called the bible.
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So, you cannot provide detailed evidence of who observed the event and how many people and how much time there was between the observed event and its mention in a written form.

I'm not surprised.



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dad said:
Using beliefs to make evidence fit beliefs doesn't make for good science.
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It doesn't make for good theistic apologetics either. I asked for evidence and you provided a belief. (An incorrect belief).
 
dad

dad

Undefeated
ecco said:
So, you cannot provide detailed evidence of who observed the event and how many people and how much time there was between the observed event and its mention in a written form.
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?? Who cares when the observed events got compiled into a book? The records were here. John for example lived to a ripe old age and saw it all! Jesus appeared to many hundreds of people after rising from the dead. Not like science can check any of this, and that does not affect anything at all! That just shows science is totally inept in this area.
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

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dad said:
?? Who cares when the observed events got compiled into a book? The records were here. John for example lived to a ripe old age and saw it all! Jesus appeared to many hundreds of people after rising from the dead. Not like science can check any of this, and that does not affect anything at all! That just shows science is totally inept in this area.
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What evidence is there that John wrote the gospel with his name on it?
 
ecco

ecco

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dad said:
?? Who cares when the observed events got compiled into a book? The records were here. John for example lived to a ripe old age and saw it all! Jesus appeared to many hundreds of people after rising from the dead. Not like science can check any of this, and that does not affect anything at all! That just shows science is totally inept in this area.
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I love your duck and dodge comment: "Not like science can check any of this".

Your honor, many people saw my client walking around Paris on that day so he could not have killed Mr Smith in Memphis, Tn.

What's that???

No, your honor, there is no way to check.
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Inept? Not at all. Science and historians can check. They have checked. They have found that the people who allegedly wrote all the stories about Jesus were not real people. They have found that no one wrote anything about Jesus for 50 years after his alleged demise.

Also, they have found no way that anyone who was at the Sermon on the Mount, recorded it word for word. Actually, outside of the Bible, no one ever wrote anything about the Sermon on the Mount, or the washing of feet, or the arising, or, or, or anything.

If someone famous died and then, days later he is seen walking around by hundreds of people, hundreds of people would have written about it. In fact, after the first day, word would have spread about this dead preacher walking around and there would have been thousands of eyewitnesses. No one wrote about it! NO ONE.





BTW: The title of this thread is: for-creationists-show-evidences-for-creation-of-man.

I haven't seen any creationists post any evidences-for-creation-of-man. Comon' Dad. You must have a lot of indisputable evidences-for-creation-of-man, don't you?
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

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ecco said:
I love your duck and dodge comment: "Not like science can check any of this".

Your honor, many people saw my client walking around Paris on that day so he could not have killed Mr Smith in Memphis, Tn.

What's that???

No, your honor, there is no way to check.
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Inept? Not at all. Science and historians can check. They have checked. They have found that the people who allegedly wrote all the stories about Jesus were not real people. They have found that no one wrote anything about Jesus for 50 years after his alleged demise.

Also, they have found no way that anyone who was at the Sermon on the Mount, recorded it word for word. Actually, outside of the Bible, no one ever wrote anything about the Sermon on the Mount, or the washing of feet, or the arising, or, or, or anything.

If someone famous died and then, days later he is seen walking around by hundreds of people, hundreds of people would have written about it. In fact, after the first day, word would have spread about this dead preacher walking around and there would have been thousands of eyewitnesses. No one wrote about it! NO ONE.





BTW: The title of this thread is: for-creationists-show-evidences-for-creation-of-man.

I haven't seen any creationists post any evidences-for-creation-of-man. Comon' Dad. You must have a lot of indisputable evidences-for-creation-of-man, don't you?
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Except for Paul, but all he had were "visions" aka hallucinations. In fact theists will point out that generally Paul did not value eyewitness testimony. He is like some of your posters here that thought his visions were more accurate than what people actually saw. Paul was a a few fries short of a Happy Meal himself.
 
ecco

ecco

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dad said:
What evidence do you have an impostor named John fooled the early church and forged three books that got accepted?
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Fooled the church?!? Where did you get that? It was done by the church!

Early Church Conversation:
  • So, how do we start spreading the word?
  • Can't we get someone to write some stories and make it read like a first-person accounting?
  • Great idea! We'll have to hide the actual author's name and give him a good-sounding non-de-plume.
  • How about "Mark"? That's got a nice solid feel to it.

Somewhat later Church Conversation:
  • Ya know, Addapus (AKA Mark) did a pretty good job but he could have written more in-depth stuff.
  • No problemo. I've got a couple of guys who wanted to write as Mark and were a little miffed when Addapus got the Job. I'll have them skim Addapus' works and write some embellishments. How's Matthew and Luke sound?
  • OK. We may need a little more down the line so let's keep Zekee on retainer in case we need him later.
 
dad

dad

Undefeated
ecco said:
I love your duck and dodge comment: "Not like science can check any of this".

Your honor, many people saw my client walking around Paris on that day so he could not have killed Mr Smith in Memphis, Tn.

What's that???

No, your honor, there is no way to check.
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Inept? Not at all. Science and historians can check. They have checked. They have found that the people who allegedly wrote all the stories about Jesus were not real people. They have found that no one wrote anything about Jesus for 50 years after his alleged demise.

Also, they have found no way that anyone who was at the Sermon on the Mount, recorded it word for word. Actually, outside of the Bible, no one ever wrote anything about the Sermon on the Mount, or the washing of feet, or the arising, or, or, or anything.

If someone famous died and then, days later he is seen walking around by hundreds of people, hundreds of people would have written about it. In fact, after the first day, word would have spread about this dead preacher walking around and there would have been thousands of eyewitnesses. No one wrote about it! NO ONE.





BTW: The title of this thread is: for-creationists-show-evidences-for-creation-of-man.

I haven't seen any creationists post any evidences-for-creation-of-man. Comon' Dad. You must have a lot of indisputable evidences-for-creation-of-man, don't you?
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Since we have established that science cannot cover it, whatever evidences there may be will be outside of science.

Evidences that the creator exist, such as fulfilled prophesy, history and changed lives due to the power of God are all evidences.

AS for Jesus, yes, hundreds saw Him after He arose from the dead. John for example, as mentioned. They handled Him with their hands, saw Him with their eyes etc.
 
dad

dad

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ecco said:
Fooled the church?!? Where did you get that? It was done by the church!
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John was a leader of that church. So if he was some impostor rather than a genuine apostle and witness, he would have been tarred and feathered or outed or...whatever.

He wasn't, because of course he was the real deal.
 
ecco

ecco

Veteran Member
dad said:
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AS for Jesus, yes, hundreds saw Him after He arose from the dead. John for example, as mentioned. They handled Him with their hands, saw Him with their eyes etc.
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Try again.

Also, they have found no way that anyone who was at the Sermon on the Mount, recorded it word for word. Actually, outside of the Bible, no one ever wrote anything about the Sermon on the Mount, or the washing of feet, or the arising, or, or, or anything.

If someone famous died and then, days later he is seen walking around by hundreds of people, hundreds of people would have written about it. In fact, after the first day, word would have spread about this dead preacher walking around and there would have been thousands of eyewitnesses. No one wrote about it! NO ONE.
 
ecco

ecco

Veteran Member
dad said:
Since we have established that science cannot cover it, whatever evidences there may be will be outside of science.
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Nonsense. Try reading what I actually post and then try actually responding to it.

Also, they have found no way that anyone who was at the Sermon on the Mount, recorded it word for word. Actually, outside of the Bible, no one ever wrote anything about the Sermon on the Mount, or the washing of feet, or the arising, or, or, or anything.

If someone famous died and then, days later he is seen walking around by hundreds of people, hundreds of people would have written about it. In fact, after the first day, word would have spread about this dead preacher walking around and there would have been thousands of eyewitnesses. No one wrote about it! NO ONE.
 
dad

dad

Undefeated
ecco said:
Try again.

Also, they have found no way that anyone who was at the Sermon on the Mount, recorded it word for word. Actually, outside of the Bible, no one ever wrote anything about the Sermon on the Mount, or the washing of feet, or the arising, or, or, or anything.

If someone famous died and then, days later he is seen walking around by hundreds of people, hundreds of people would have written about it. In fact, after the first day, word would have spread about this dead preacher walking around and there would have been thousands of eyewitnesses. No one wrote about it! NO ONE.
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Daydreaming eh?

Despite the country where the records would be being destroyed, God ensured we would still have some.
 
dad

dad

Undefeated
ecco said:
The only thing you have is a bunch of stories written well after the fact. But don't take my word for it. Take some time to understand what Christian Scholars have determined. Nah! You might have to face reality. That would be terrible.
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I do not call the apostles like John liars, sorry, especially with no evidence as you do.
 
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