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Are we ready to find life on Mars in 2 years?

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
My dear friend.
I refuse to believe in any fairy tale, magic God.
It is only you that wants to pass it off as such.
If you believe Evolution is an observed and understood science, you will also be able to believe in the tooth faisrt and santa.
There are zero Observed occurances of evolution.
Only more made up stories of paleontologists comparing different Ape spiecies' sculls which died out, and telling you it was your daddy.
Let me correct you. You have mere belief. I have knowledge. I can support my claims. And one has to be amazingly ignorant to claim that evolution has not been observed.

It is rather obvious that your science education ended sometime in elementary school. The question is are you brave enough to learn? Spouting nonsense that you cannot support only gets you laughed at.

this may help:

Observed Instances of Speciation
 

ecco

Veteran Member
I explained that what I claimed was how science doesn't know about the exact nature of time in the far universe. That is no story, that is fact.
Correct, it doesn't. Ha ha.

Doesn't matter if we know why. The only issue is whether we know it was the same or not.

Yadda, yadda, yadda. There millions of people in the world who have advanced educations, do research, write articles and papers.

Some of these people study aerodynamics, physics, automotive engineering, geology, information technology, biology, robotics, paleontology, engineering, just to name a few of the many different areas of study and knowledge.

  • You accept the findings of some of these people.
  • You reject the findings of some of these people.

The only reason for this is that you believe stuff written by ignorant people 6000 years ago.

  • Where modern-day science does not conflict with those 6000 years stories you accept modern science.
  • Where modern-day science conflicts with those 6000 years stories you reject modern science.

That's irrational.
 

ecco

Veteran Member
No. "TO be" in the future.
Jesus lived.

Jesus died.

Jesus did not rule Israel.

You were not writing about prophecies that may or may not come true. You stated that you could show Biblical prophecies that have been proven accurate.

YOU FAILED ! With your extensive knowledge of scripture, this should have been easy for you. But, you failed.

Care to try again?
 

ecco

Veteran Member
I am gratefull that you call this an alternative.
I am just as happy to find your statement "Your need to feel significant", rubber sticking to you.
is it not so that you want to feel significant against a Creator?
Of corse you do, this is why you use such an argument to imply that somehow I will feel "Significant" in my belief that God created it all to sustain life on earth.

I am not the one who has a problem with being a speck on a mote. You are the one who needs to believe that he is a special creation of a god.

If you want to turn an argument around, you need to have a basis. Otherwise, you just sound like a child on a playground:
You're a poopy head.
No, you're a poopy head.





Oh, I forgot, the atheist theories dilute the thought that Matter could come into existence from nothing as if it is nothing to ponder over. Whist the Christian realises such creation needs divine act.

Atheist theories? Don't you know that many Christians support the Big Bang?



Plainly, your wish that there be life discovered in the universe is somehow a wish to argue against a creator, whilst I dont worry about it at all.
I don't need extraterrestrial life to be confirmed for verification. I was an atheist long before I ever heard the terms "extraterrestrial" or "evolution" or "Big Bang". Sunday school lectures about The Garden and The Flood were all it took for my 10-year-old self to be convinced that god and his stories fell into the same category as Superman and Flash Gordon - Make Believe.
 

dad

Undefeated
Yadda, yadda, yadda. There millions of people in the world who have advanced educations, do research, write articles and papers.

Some of these people study aerodynamics, physics, automotive engineering, geology, information technology, biology, robotics, paleontology, engineering, just to name a few of the many different areas of study and knowledge.

  • You accept the findings of some of these people.
  • You reject the findings of some of these people.

The only reason for this is that you believe stuff written by ignorant people 6000 years ago.

  • Where modern-day science does not conflict with those 6000 years stories you accept modern science.
  • Where modern-day science conflicts with those 6000 years stories you reject modern science.

That's irrational.
Finding based on reality and fact I accept. Origin fibs and fables I destroy.
 

dad

Undefeated
Jesus lived.

Jesus died.

Jesus did not rule Israel.
The One who IS TO rule it is like a title of God. It is He that would be born in that little town as He was.
You were not writing about prophecies that may or may not come true. You stated that you could show Biblical prophecies that have been proven accurate.
He was born in that town.
 

ecco

Veteran Member
Finding based on reality and fact I accept. Origin fibs and fables I destroy.


Nonsense. You reject anything and everything that conflicts with your indoctrinated fundamentalist literalist beliefs. Those indoctrinated fundamentalist literalist beliefs that are the epitome of fables and fibs.

I asked you to provide evidence for one of your miraculous beliefs. You could not even do that. All you could do was say the evidence is in the Bible. You don't even understand your own scripture enough to discuss it intelligently. That's sad and shameful.
 

ecco

Veteran Member
The One who IS TO rule it is like a title of God. It is He that would be born in that little town as He was.
He was born in that town.
He never ruled Israel. The prophecy is nonsense.

You took your best shot and failed miserably. You could not produce even one fulfilled prophecy even though you claimed there were many.

In order to continue to have faith in your indoctrinated beliefs, you have to play make-believe. That's really sad.
 

dad

Undefeated
Nonsense. You reject anything and everything that conflicts...

False. I accept it all. What I expose as ridiculous and belief based are delusional beliefs. Your quest is to learn to separate them!
I asked you to provide evidence for one of your miraculous beliefs. You could not even do that. All you could do was say the evidence is in the Bible.


Jn 7:17
If anyone’s will is to do God’s will, he will know whether the teaching is from God or whether I am speaking on my own authority.

I know. You can too. Try it you just might like it.
 

ecco

Veteran Member
False. I accept it all. What I expose as ridiculous and belief based are delusional beliefs. Your quest is to learn to separate them!
Now you are fibbin'. You intertionally dismiss any scientific evidence that contradicts your indoctrinated fundamentalist literalist beliefs. If, in your own mind, you must pretend that science that disagrees with your indoctrinated fundamentalist literalist beliefs is delusional, then that's your defense mechanism kicking in.

But isn't it strange that science is either valid or delusional beliefs solely as a result of your indoctrinated fundamentalist literalist beliefs? The only way to account for that is that half of scientists are smart people and the rest are delusional. The smart scientists only work on stuff that is acceptable to you. The delusional scientists all work on stuff you disagree with. It's like, before they decided what to major in, they came here to RF and checked you out. The ones who liked your posts chose majors like shipbuilding. The ones who didn't like your posts chose things like biology or geology or nuclear physics.

It's truly remarkable how much influence you have had on millions of young minds.




ETA: Shipbuilding was a poor choice on my part. Anyone who studied shipbuilding would not be in agreement with your posts. They would know that The Ark could not possibly have survived.
 

dad

Undefeated
Now you are fibbin'. You intertionally dismiss any scientific evidence that contradicts your indoctrinated fundamentalist literalist beliefs. If, in your own mind, you must pretend that science that disagrees with your indoctrinated fundamentalist literalist beliefs is delusional, then that's your defense mechanism kicking in.

But isn't it strange that science is either valid or delusional beliefs solely as a result of your indoctrinated fundamentalist literalist beliefs? The only way to account for that is that half of scientists are smart people and the rest are delusional. The smart scientists only work on stuff that is acceptable to you. The delusional scientists all work on stuff you disagree with. It's like, before they decided what to major in, they came here to RF and checked you out. The ones who liked your posts chose majors like shipbuilding. The ones who didn't like your posts chose things like biology or geology or nuclear physics.

It's truly remarkable how much influence you have had on millions of young minds.




ETA: Shipbuilding was a poor choice on my part. Anyone who studied shipbuilding would not be in agreement with your posts. They would know that The Ark could not possibly have survived.

Blabber aside you have no facts or science on offer here and nothing to reject. Offer some and see how anything dismissed would be beliefs and not knowledge. deal with it.
 

ecco

Veteran Member
Blabber aside you have no facts or science on offer here and nothing to reject. Offer some and see how anything dismissed would be beliefs and not knowledge. deal with it.
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dad

Undefeated
Thanks for the pic of what you think was your ancestor. Touching.

Remember though that most life on earth including man in that long ago former nature probably could not leave fossil remains, so that they would not be included in the fossil record.
 

ecco

Veteran Member
Thanks for the pic of what you think was your ancestor. Touching.

You never miss an opportunity to show your abject ignorance of evolution, do you?

Remember though that most life on earth including man in that long ago former nature probably could not leave fossil remains, so that they would not be included in the fossil record.

"Former nature"? Oh yeah. The one you have to believe in to support your contention that time and light moved at different speeds then as compared to now.
 

dad

Undefeated
You never miss an opportunity to show your abject ignorance of evolution, do you?



"Former nature"? Oh yeah. The one you have to believe in to support your contention that time and light moved at different speeds then as compared to now.
The one science knows nothing about but assumes without reason that nature was the same. As for evolution, calling flatworms and such relatives or ancestors is actually fine. Have a gander at the news articles if you doubt it.

"
Flatworms Are Oldest Living Ancestors To Those Of Us With Right And Left Sides, Researchers Report In Science"
Flatworms Are Oldest Living Ancestors To Those Of Us With Right And Left Sides, Researchers Report In Science


"FAMILY TREE of the Hominidae shows that chimpanzees are our closest living relatives."

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-closely-related-are-h/

Haha
 

ecco

Veteran Member
The one science knows nothing about but assumes without reason that nature was the same.

You are the one making the assumption without reason that nature has changed. The only reason you must do this it to try to fit actual nature into your fairy tale version of reality. You are the one who believes that magically, light has slowed down (Or is it speed up? It's hard to keep up with your silly notions.) Are your giants the ones who changed the speed of light or did the changing speed of light kill off all your giants? Again, It's hard to keep up with your silly notions.


As for evolution,...

Why would I bother to discuss evolution with someone who cannot accept basic physics? If others want to try their patience in failed attempts to educate you, that's OK. I'll not waste my time.
 

dad

Undefeated
You are the one making the assumption without reason that nature has changed.

You are the one making the assumption without reason that nature has not changed.
The only reason you must do this it to try to fit actual nature into your godless fairy tale version of reality.
You are the one who believes that magically, light has slowed down (Or is it speed up?
Neither.
The issue is whether time exists as we know it in far space. If not, well, what takes for example a million years here, could take half a second (of our time) there. Who knows?

Why would I bother to discuss evolution with someone who cannot accept basic physics?
In other words if we do not apply today's physics/nature to the unknown past also, then your religious models leave nothing to discuss. We get it.
 
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