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How should one deal with unreasonable expectations?

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
I find myself contemplating the ideas of compromise and confrontation, and the trappings that come with each, mostly on the fields of political ideologies and religious beliefs.

I have no doubt that most everyone wants to think of ourselves as fairly reasonable people, and it would most unusual for anyone not to be very conflicted unless we have reached some form of conclusion that we are indeed reasonable individually.

Of course, it may and does happen that other people around us do not always agree with that judgement, even if they will not always feel inclined to tell us so directly.

Nor is it automatically a good thing overall to be told directly. Awareness is necessary, but there are dangers of unfair judgements, lack of emotional resilience, and destructive escalations.

Ultimately, to live among others we have little choice but to pursue some form of balance between the competing needs of keeping the peace and voicing our disagreements.

Unfortunately, that means that it may take decades for revisions of expectations that we may personally need very badly to ever happen, if they happen at all.

That may be why we end up on periodic cycles of radicalization and rebellion, as people realize that there will be no peaceful transition towards what they deem necessary during their lifetimes. Our failure to allow for the real needs and possibilities of existing (as opposed to idealized or fictional) people and realities pressures ourselves and others into creating and spreading further pressure.

How can that depressing path be avoided? Is there some form of reliable or safe way of gauging how reasonable we are and how reasonable we can be? Of accurately predicting how much we are expecting from others and how realistic our expectations can be?

What do you think?
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
Luis, over time I've come to rather dramatically lower my expectations. Two situations come to mind. A close and respected colleague, when I taught, would often just remind me 'lower your expectations' when dealing with troubled or learning disabled students. Recognising and labeling disabilities actually helped. For example, if you go read the wiki page on Aspergers Syndrome, it may shed some light on some folks who previously seemed like jerks. I had a student who I got diagnosed for Tourettes (in a milder form than is commonly reported) in the year I was his teacher. He had been yelled at and disciplined for making funny faces in previous grades. Not all people are dealt a full deck.

The second situation was a brief encounter with my Guru. He had learned that I would be working with another devotee on a project, who he knew really well. In confidence, he leaned over and just whispered 'Don't expect much." Considering that source, it really meant a lot.

Another example is of families of alcoholics who often carry a false dream of the person changing ... it's unrealistic, and only so many counsellors can tell them that.

Best wishes on it.
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
I find myself contemplating the ideas of compromise and confrontation, and the trappings that come with each, mostly on the fields of political ideologies and religious beliefs.

I have no doubt that most everyone wants to think of ourselves as fairly reasonable people, and it would most unusual for anyone not to be very conflicted unless we have reached some form of conclusion that we are indeed reasonable individually.

Of course, it may and does happen that other people around us do not always agree with that judgement, even if they will not always feel inclined to tell us so directly.

Nor is it automatically a good thing overall to be told directly. Awareness is necessary, but there are dangers of unfair judgements, lack of emotional resilience, and destructive escalations.

Ultimately, to live among others we have little choice but to pursue some form of balance between the competing needs of keeping the peace and voicing our disagreements.

Unfortunately, that means that it may take decades for revisions of expectations that we may personally need very badly to ever happen, if they happen at all.

That may be why we end up on periodic cycles of radicalization and rebellion, as people realize that there will be no peaceful transition towards what they deem necessary during their lifetimes. Our failure to allow for the real needs and possibilities of existing (as opposed to idealized or fictional) people and realities pressures ourselves and others into creating and spreading further pressure.

How can that depressing path be avoided? Is there some form of reliable or safe way of gauging how reasonable we are and how reasonable we can be? Of accurately predicting how much we are expecting from others and how realistic our expectations can be?

What do you think?
I might assume.....you don't own a gun
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
That may be why we end up on periodic
How can that depressing path be avoided? Is there some form of reliable or safe way of gauging how reasonable we are and how reasonable we can be? Of accurately predicting how much we are expecting from others and how realistic our expectations can be?

What do you think?
I think empathy helps us understand the others better. ...and prejudice does the opposite.:)
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
Well, that is the thing, @Estro Felino

Empathy is an expectation and connects to other expectations.

So does prejudice, although it is considerably easier to achieve and maintain.
 

Quagmire

Imaginary talking monkey
Staff member
Premium Member
I'm learning more and more as time goes on that I'm never really disappointed by anything anyone does or fails to do.

I've always just been disappointed about the way I handle the situation.

Once you realize this it gives you a lot of power.
 

epronovost

Well-Known Member
What you are basically asking for is if there is an easy, simple or at least well established way to gain great foresight and insight. I don't believe there is. Wisdom isn't cheap and it most often comes at the cost of great mistakes or at the very least at the cost of great effort and reflection. I believe that our history can teach us a little bit about that by providing us with comparison material and frames of reference. In the end, saying to the oppressed to wait and be patient, that in time justice will come will always be difficult if not cruel and cowardly. It's pretty much just as hard to tell to the oppressor, especially if it's yourself, that what they are doing is wrong, that they must abandon a portion of their pride, their safety, their power.
 
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