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A Different “Judgment Day” Perspective?

LightofTruth

Well-Known Member
I think the majority of people have been taught that God’s Judgement Day is ultimately something to fear.
Is it?
(Notice the description of the Resurrection of Judgement)....

What Will Happen on Judgment Day? — Watchtower ONLINE LIBRARY
Atheist having nothing to fear because they have not entered into covenant with God for resurrection from the dead. They have been condemned already in Adam. Meaning that they will die and return to the dust they are made of, never to be heard from again. The only ones who ought to fear God are those who have entered into covenant with Him and who have then fallen away by being unfaithful to God's mercy. They are the ones who will suffer a second death.
 

Hockeycowboy

Witness for Jehovah
Premium Member
Atheist having nothing to fear because.... they have been condemned already in Adam. Meaning that they will die and return to the dust they are made of, never to be heard from again.

@ Acts of the Apostles 24:15, Paul said “the unrighteousness” will have a resurrection.

A loving God (whom I worship) would give all misled and misguided ones, a second chance at life, w/ no misleading teachings to influence them...Satan at that time will be abyssed.
 

Hockeycowboy

Witness for Jehovah
Premium Member
The Jw's are antichrist because they deny that Jesus had come in the same flesh as all men share. That flesh is called "sinful flesh".
Were Adam & Eve, “sinful flesh”? No. They were created perfect. (Deuteronomy 32:4-5)
Jesus is called “the Last Adam.” As such, Jesus was a perfect human.
 

Hockeycowboy

Witness for Jehovah
Premium Member
The Jw's are antichrist because they deny that Jesus had come in the same flesh as all men share. That flesh is called "sinful flesh".
Were Adam & Eve, “sinful flesh”? No. They were created perfect. (Deuteronomy 32:4-5)
Jesus is called “the Last Adam.” As such, Jesus was a perfect human.
 

Hockeycowboy

Witness for Jehovah
Premium Member
The Jw's are antichrist because they deny that Jesus had come in the same flesh as all men share. That flesh is called "sinful flesh".
Were Adam & Eve, “sinful flesh”? No. They were created perfect. (Deuteronomy 32:4-5)
Jesus is called “the Last Adam.” As such, Jesus was a perfect human.
 

LightofTruth

Well-Known Member
@ Acts of the Apostles 24:15, Paul said “the unrighteousness” will have a resurrection.

A loving God (whom I worship) would give all misled and misguided ones, a second chance at life, w/ no misleading teachings to influence them...Satan at that time will be abyssed.
@ Acts of the Apostles 24:15, Paul said “the unrighteousness” will have a resurrection.

A loving God (whom I worship) would give all misled and misguided ones, a second chance at life, w/ no misleading teachings to influence them...Satan at that time will be abyssed.
The just refer to those who remain faithful in Christ and the unjust refer to the those who were baptized into Christ but then fell away back to the ways of the world.
 

LightofTruth

Well-Known Member
Were Adam & Eve, “sinful flesh”? No. They were created perfect. (Deuteronomy 32:4-5)
Jesus is called “the Last Adam.” As such, Jesus was a perfect human.
The Scripture proves Adam and Eve flesh to be sinful because Eve desired (coveted) that which was not hers. She was made of the same flesh as Adam.
 

LightofTruth

Well-Known Member
Were Adam & Eve, “sinful flesh”? No. They were created perfect. (Deuteronomy 32:4-5)
Jesus is called “the Last Adam.” As such, Jesus was a perfect human.
The Scripture teaches that man is tempted when he is drawn away and enticed by his OWN desires/lust (of the flesh). And that that lust gives birth to sin and sin death.

Now, if Jesus were not of that same flesh he could not be tempted in all points as we are.
Sorry, antichrist.
 

Hockeycowboy

Witness for Jehovah
Premium Member
The Scripture proves Adam and Eve flesh to be sinful because Eve desired (coveted) that which was not hers. She was made of the same flesh as Adam.
How did Satan become sinful, then? He is spirit.

He kept on thinking about wrong ideas. It got the better of him.

Regarding Jesus, Peter says, “he committed no sin, nor was deception found in his mouth.” He never ‘fell short of God’s glory’ — as we do (Romans 3:23) — because he was a perfect human. If Jesus had been imperfect, his sacrifice would have been valueless.

You get a thrill from calling me names? Is that Christian?
 

LightofTruth

Well-Known Member
How did Satan become sinful, then? He is spirit.

According to Scripture, it was a serpent (not satan), a beast of the field, who was a tempter to Eve. But temptation comes from within, from ones own desires. Eve desired the fruit. The serpent merely encouraged her own desire. That's why Eve was punished even though she blamed the serpent. And Adam was punished even though he blamed God.

The serpent has therefore come to represent the sinfulness(lust) of the flesh and is called Satan and the devil.
 

Hockeycowboy

Witness for Jehovah
Premium Member
According to Scripture, it was a serpent (not satan), a beast of the field, who was a tempter to Eve. But temptation comes from within, from ones own desires. Eve desired the fruit. The serpent merely encouraged her own desire. That's why Eve was punished even though she blamed the serpent. And Adam was punished even though he blamed God.

The serpent has therefore come to represent the sinfulness(lust) of the flesh and is called Satan and the devil.
Revelation 12:9 reveals who was behind the serpent.

I’m almost afraid to ask...how did Satan become Satan? God would not create an opposer to Himself, to work against His interests.
 

LightofTruth

Well-Known Member
Revelation 12:9 reveals who was behind the serpent.

I’m almost afraid to ask...how did Satan become Satan? God would not create an opposer to Himself, to work against His interests.
Do you understand that the book of Revelation is the prophecy of Christ? Do you know that prophecy speaks of things to come?

The great red dragon has not even been revealed yet. He has not yet been cast out of heaven (a high place of authority), and nor have his messengers(angels) The red dragon (a man) is called Satan and the devil because he represents all the evilness of the sinful flesh and mind. He is red because he sheds much blood.

The Scripture clearly makes the connection of the red dragon with the little horn of Daniel 7 and Paul's "man of sin". He will be revealed before the coming of Christ.
 

LightofTruth

Well-Known Member
How did Satan become sinful, then? He is spirit.

He kept on thinking about wrong ideas. It got the better of him.

Regarding Jesus, Peter says, “he committed no sin, nor was deception found in his mouth.” He never ‘fell short of God’s glory’ — as we do (Romans 3:23) — because he was a perfect human. If Jesus had been imperfect, his sacrifice would have been valueless.

You get a thrill from calling me names? Is that Christian?
You miss the point entirely. It is precisely because Jesus was of the same flesh as the rest of us that his sacrifice has great meaning. Even though he was of the same sinful flesh as us, and tempted in all points as we, he never personally committed any sin. That's how he can say that he overcame the world. That's why he is the Lamb of God and the only one worthy to open the sealed up scroll.
For the Lamb to be a right sacrifice, it had to have no faults. And before Jesus was sacrificed, Pontius Pilate said, "I find no fault in him".
 

Hockeycowboy

Witness for Jehovah
Premium Member
Do you understand that the book of Revelation is the prophecy of Christ? Do you know that prophecy speaks of things to come?

The great red dragon has not even been revealed yet. He has not yet been cast out of heaven (a high place of authority), and nor have his messengers(angels) The red dragon (a man) is called Satan and the devil because he represents all the evilness of the sinful flesh and mind. He is red because he sheds much blood.

The Scripture clearly makes the connection of the red dragon with the little horn of Daniel 7 and Paul's "man of sin". He will be revealed before the coming of Christ.
That makes no sense...Satan was there in Job 1 & 2 (as a real spirit person), yet he - a man, you say? - was also there 2000 years later, in the Wilderness tempting Jesus?

Yes, of course I’m aware that Revelation is prophetic....the Apostle John received it and “came to be in the Lord’s Day”, which begins with the Last Days that we are currently living in. So much of it is being fulfilled now.

Tell me, how is Satan the Devil called “the original serpent”, if not referring to the Garden of Eden serpent?

If the Devil is not a real entity, then whose power was behind Pharaoh’s priests when their staffs turned into snakes, opposing Jehovah’s power, in Exodus 7?

Who was talking to Jehovah God and accusing Job, in Job 1?
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
I do lean to the Carpenter.....am I Christian enough to post here?

serpent ….was a description of character.....not form

and different judgement?


yeah.....I have that
 

LightofTruth

Well-Known Member
That makes no sense...Satan was there in Job 1 & 2 (as a real spirit person), yet he - a man, you say? - was also there 2000 years later, in the Wilderness tempting Jesus?

The text never says the Satan of Job was a spirit person. The sons of God in Job were men who came to worship God and the Satan (also men) came too and was among them. The sons of God represent the seed of the woman and the Satan represents the seed of the serpent. God said he would put enmity between the two seeds.
That enmity still existed in the days of Jesus. The two seeds are represented by the Tares and the Wheat.
There was a church of God in the O.T. just as there is in the New.

We can identify who the Satan was who tempted Jesus by what He/They said to him and by the fact that the temptation was to continue at a more opportune time. That time came when he was on the cross. They, the Satan, said to Jesus, "If you be the son of God....do this and that.
 

Hockeycowboy

Witness for Jehovah
Premium Member
The text never says the Satan of Job was a spirit person. The sons of God in Job were men who came to worship God and the Satan (also men) came too and was among them. The sons of God represent the seed of the woman and the Satan represents the seed of the serpent. God said he would put enmity between the two seeds.
That enmity still existed in the days of Jesus. The two seeds are represented by the Tares and the Wheat.
There was a church of God in the O.T. just as there is in the New.

We can identify who the Satan was who tempted Jesus by what He/They said to him and by the fact that the temptation was to continue at a more opportune time. That time came when he was on the cross. They, the Satan, said to Jesus, "If you be the son of God....do this and that.
And you ignore the power displayed in Pharaoh's court. No man could do that. Exodus 7

How could a man battle w/ Angels in heaven? Revelation 12:7-9
 

Ben Dhyan

Veteran Member
Do you understand that the book of Revelation is the prophecy of Christ? Do you know that prophecy speaks of things to come?

The great red dragon has not even been revealed yet. He has not yet been cast out of heaven (a high place of authority), and nor have his messengers(angels) The red dragon (a man) is called Satan and the devil because he represents all the evilness of the sinful flesh and mind. He is red because he sheds much blood.

The Scripture clearly makes the connection of the red dragon with the little horn of Daniel 7 and Paul's "man of sin". He will be revealed before the coming of Christ.
Interesting thought, China is often referred to as the Red Dragon, does anyone think think China is the Red Dragon of Revelation? Their ancient rulers were called Emperors of Heaven, from which the later human emperors are descended.
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