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If Jesus was alive today

JJ50

Well-Known Member
If a time machine transported the long dead Jesus forward in time to the 21st century, I wonder how he would react to what is being said and done in his name? Some Christian extremists drag through the sewer Jesus and the faith, which was created well after he died, with him as the figurehead.

I have no time for those who use the Bible as an excuse to bolster their unpleasant behaviour like a hatred of homosexuals. As I have said many times, it is possible Jesus could have been gay as the Bible mentions he had a specific disciple whom he loved, who was likely to have been a male. He never condemned, homosexuality, which is not one of the ten commandments either.

I suspect if he had been a decent sort of guy Jesus would be shocked at how the Bible is interpreted by extremists. 'Depart from me for I never knew you', might be the expletive he would use if he encountered them.

Whilst my husband and I don't see it their way, we have no problem with moderate live and let live Christians, who often do a lot of good in this world, like our own three daughters, of whom we are very proud. I reckon Jesus would be proud of people like them too.:)
 

syo

Well-Known Member
f a time machine transported the long dead Jesus forward in time to the 21st century, I wonder how he would react to what is being said and done in his name?
He would see people worshipping money. And Jesus said that money is not of God. He would see atheists living happily, and pennyless people live in misery. Money rules in this century and people do not worship God.
 

JJ50

Well-Known Member
He would see people worshipping money. And Jesus said that money is not of God. He would see atheists living happily, and pennyless people live in misery. Money rules in this century and people do not worship God.

No one should worship anything, especially a deity, which probably doesn't exist.
 

firedragon

Veteran Member
I don't worship anything, or anyone, never have done. Any human or deity which wishes to be worshiped is a psycho, imo.

I know what you mean.

But you dont know what I mean. Make an attempt to understand.

Ill give you an example. The islamic concept of worship (according to the Quran, not according to worshipers) is the reverence of your own havah which means your own ego or desire. Even that is a form of worship. So is children, wealth/property, priests etc among things people worship.

Just an example. One could even worship a cause, a group or even the idea of anti-theism.
 

JJ50

Well-Known Member
I know what you mean.

But you dont know what I mean. Make an attempt to understand.

Ill give you an example. The islamic concept of worship (according to the Quran, not according to worshipers) is the reverence of your own havah which means your own ego or desire. Even that is a form of worship. So is children, wealth/property, priests etc among things people worship.

Just an example. One could even worship a cause, a group or even the idea of anti-theism.

I certainly don't worship myself, I have many faults and failings. I don't worship my family, I don't worship any cause, money, or my own take on religion.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
If a time machine transported the long dead Jesus forward in time to the 21st century, I wonder how he would react to what is being said and done in his name? Some Christian extremists drag through the sewer Jesus and the faith, which was created well after he died, with him as the figurehead.

I have no time for those who use the Bible as an excuse to bolster their unpleasant behaviour like a hatred of homosexuals. As I have said many times, it is possible Jesus could have been gay as the Bible mentions he had a specific disciple whom he loved, who was likely to have been a male. He never condemned, homosexuality, which is not one of the ten commandments either.

I suspect if he had been a decent sort of guy Jesus would be shocked at how the Bible is interpreted by extremists. 'Depart from me for I never knew you', might be the expletive he would use if he encountered them.

Whilst my husband and I don't see it their way, we have no problem with moderate live and let live Christians, who often do a lot of good in this world, like our own three daughters, of whom we are very proud. I reckon Jesus would be proud of people like them too.:)

He'd be like all the other Jesus's we've come across.
 

Audie

Veteran Member
If a time machine transported the long dead Jesus forward in time to the 21st century, I wonder how he would react to what is being said and done in his name? Some Christian extremists drag through the sewer Jesus and the faith, which was created well after he died, with him as the figurehead.

I have no time for those who use the Bible as an excuse to bolster their unpleasant behaviour like a hatred of homosexuals. As I have said many times, it is possible Jesus could have been gay as the Bible mentions he had a specific disciple whom he loved, who was likely to have been a male. He never condemned, homosexuality, which is not one of the ten commandments either.

I suspect if he had been a decent sort of guy Jesus would be shocked at how the Bible is interpreted by extremists. 'Depart from me for I never knew you', might be the expletive he would use if he encountered them.

Whilst my husband and I don't see it their way, we have no problem with moderate live and let live Christians, who often do a lot of good in this world, like our own three daughters, of whom we are very proud. I reckon Jesus would be proud of people like them too.:)

"were" If he were alive he'd tell you that the subjunctive
is to be used in cases of doubt, wish, or condition
contrary to fact. Fact.
 

Audie

Veteran Member
He'd be like all the other Jesus's we've come across.

Therefore, "Jesus" is rarely if ever pluralized, but if is, e.g., in a special usage and meaning such as 'people who are like Jesus', the plural would be the regular "Jesuses," with the written plural suffix "-es" which is used after noun stems that end in sibilants
 

Audie

Veteran Member
Everyone worships something mate. Its just that there are different ways of worship and most of us are in denial.

Some among us (guess who) make things up about
people they do not know, and, make up their
own meaning for words. ignoring what the dictionary says.
 

Audie

Veteran Member
He'd be mocked and called a snowflake; his sermons would be "Fake News" and I dread to think what would happen when he criticises Wall Street (Money changers)

A few walks back and forth across the East River and
things would begin to change. Hudson, not so much.
Nobody cares about the Jersey side.
 

Audie

Veteran Member
Sorry. I did not understand your point.

You actually are unaware that you made up
that thing about "everyone"? That you do not
know "everyone"? You are unaware of what
the word "worship" actually means?
 
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firedragon

Veteran Member
You actually are unaware that you made up
that thing about "everyone"? That you do not
know "everyone"? You are unaware of what
the word "worship" actually means?

Ah. That.

I believe everyone worships something.

And there are many dictionaries in the world. Many languages. So I have given an explanation which yet have not understood. Lets say in Arabic, the word worship is "Ibadah". Maybe you would not care about another persons, languages or a theologies view of something and dismiss it but I will state this anyway.

So Ibadah will not be exactly represented by the English word worship. It does not only mean worship like when you bow down, offer flowers and pray for something from an English understanding of God.

I will cut and paste what I stated again and beyond that its your wish to hold your perspective.

Ill give you an example. The islamic concept of worship (according to the Quran, not according to worshipers) is the reverence of your own havah which means your own ego or desire. Even that is a form of worship. So is children, wealth/property, priests etc among things people worship.

Just an example. One could even worship a cause, a group or even the idea of anti-theism.

To supplement that, This is a dictionary meaning of the English word Worship. - show reverence and adoration for (a deity).

Deity is from Deite, Deos. The Greek is theos. Theos does not mean God alone. You can call something divine. Theiky.

Your own ego can be divine to you. Thats another form of worship.

Have a good day.
 

Audie

Veteran Member
Ah. That.

I believe everyone worships something.


And there are many dictionaries in the world. Many languages. So I have given an explanation which yet have not understood. Lets say in Arabic, the word worship is "Ibadah". Maybe you would not care about another persons, languages or a theologies view of something and dismiss it but I will state this anyway.

So Ibadah will not be exactly represented by the English word worship. It does not only mean worship like when you bow down, offer flowers and pray for something from an English understanding of God.

I will cut and paste what I stated again and beyond that its your wish to hold your perspective.

Ill give you an example. The islamic concept of worship (according to the Quran, not according to worshipers) is the reverence of your own havah which means your own ego or desire. Even that is a form of worship. So is children, wealth/property, priests etc among things people worship.

Just an example. One could even worship a cause, a group or even the idea of anti-theism.

To supplement that, This is a dictionary meaning of the English word Worship. - show reverence and adoration for (a deity).

Deity is from Deite, Deos. The Greek is theos. Theos does not mean God alone. You can call something divine. Theiky.

Your own ego can be divine to you. Thats another form of worship.

Have a good day.

It is what believers do. They believe things.
 
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