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Evidence That Jesus Is God
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Skwim
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Never said "the Trinity was only created in the 4th century," and it's not a rumor at all.
The council of Nicaea dealt primarily with the issue of the deity of Christ. Over a century earlier the term "Trinity" (Τριάς in Greek; trinitas in Latin) was used in the writings of Origen (185–254) and Tertullian (160–220), and a general notion of a "divine three", in some sense, was expressed in the second-century writings of Polycarp, Ignatius, and Justin Martyr. In Nicaea, questions regarding the Holy Spirit were left largely unaddressed until after the relationship between the Father and the Son was settled around the year 362.So the doctrine in a more full-fledged form was not formulated until the Council of Constantinople in 360 AD, and a final form formulated in 381 AD, primarily crafted by Gregory of Nyssa
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None of that is evidence.
Skwim
Veteran Member
Nope. At best we have a serious contradiction. Can't just cherry-pick a solution and pretend it's thee truth, which is why I said "Looking through the Bible the closest thing I could find is that at most Jesus was the son of god."
The bible says Jesus was both god and not god. That you choose to pick those verses supporting the contention that Jesus is god while ignoring those that say he is not is, of course, up to you. To me this is not only a self serving approach but a dishonest one. But what the hey,
whatever gets you from Sunday to Monday..
LightofTruth
Well-Known Member
Acts 2:36
I put much more stock from people in India such as Ramakrishna Paramhamsa:
Very soon the person approached him and from the bottom of the Master’s pure heart came out with a ringing sound, the words, “Jesus! Jesus the Christ, the great Yogi, the loving Son of God, one with the Father, who gave his heart’s blood and put up with endless torture in order to deliver men from sorrow and misery!”
Jesus, the god-man, then embraced the Master and disappeared into his body and the Master entered into ecstasy (Bhav Samadhi), lost normal consciousness and remained identified for some time with the Omnipresent Brahman (God, the Ocean of Consciousness) with attributes.
Riders
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Really cute really really cute. But what you don't understand is that most Yogis and Hindus believe its a myth just like Jesus is a myth. They take the meaning and apply it to their lives unlike Christians who literally believe in the physical Jesus.
Riders
Well-Known Member
It was probably a myth created followers of Jesus just like they're Pagan religions at the time that they were writing the bible. They had to compete.
And you know this from what properly conducted survey?
And you should note that I was also not stating that "most..." people believed it but that I did based on Ramakrishna as well as Meher Baba and others such as BBC - Religions - Hinduism: Jesus in Hinduism
susanblange
Active Member
If Jesus was God, he would be alive on earth reigning over the nations of the earth as King of the Universe. There is only one God, not three. The god of Christianity suffers from a multiple personality disorder. Everything in the OT that was allegedly fulfilled by Jesus was done deliberately in an attempt to fulfill scripture. No messianic prophecy was fulfilled by Jesus. Christians also cherry pick verses and take them out of context. Bottom line, Jesus died and did not return from Heaven. The God of Israel is the living God and earth is the "land of the living".
Riders
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I know this from this place. Its the biggest Hindu temple, well its a Hare Krishna temple I went to 4 times . It has 10000 people Welcome to Kalachandjis - Gourmet Vegetarian Restaurant in Dallas, TX
They told me most people believe in God, but alot don't, I actually met a few Atheist devotees and even those who believe in God admit there is much mythology in their beliefs.
whirlingmerc
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Your method of looking therefore sucks, and it is about time we solved this repeated question:
We need Esword Bible software to even remotely understand some of the intricacy in the Bible, as we need to see all the cross-referencing in Hebrew to see the parable metaphors across the Tanakh.
H3444 (Yeshua) + H1961 (To become) = Exodus 15:2, Psalms 118:14-21, Isaiah 12:2 (2 Samuel 10:11 David Vs Ammon) +5 Verses Isaiah
H3444 (Yeshua) + H7200 (To see) = Exodus 14:13, Psalms 98:3, Isaiah 52:10 (2 Chronicles 20:17 Jehoshaphat Vs Ammon)
Yeshua means the Salvation of God, and we see this separate the Red Sea (Exodus 14:13), fight the children of Ammon (2 Chronicles 20:17); it was something real, that has been seen by thousands of people in the past... Before it turned its face away from us, for us murdering its representatives.
Then it says it will come as David being a reincarnated version as Yehoshua/Yeshua (Psalms 89:19-21, Isaiah 52:10-14, where they will pay 30 pieces of silver for him (Zechariah 11), and then after God will cut them off, persecuting the Jews from nation to nation (Deuteronomy 28)...
The idea all that happened as recorded historically, and thus the Source of reality has to have created it all, for it all to exist - thus proves it is real.
The other problem is many people's concept of what a God is, it isn't a human being; it is ultimately the Source of all reality to be maximumly great, and something we all can call God.
For Yeshua to exist God created it, for you to exist God created it, so all of us have aspects of the Divine within, it is just recognizing it.
In my opinion.
Jesus has many titles and roles which are God's titles
Likewise Jesus did a number of things one would only expect God to
The 'a God' is a pretty weak view as there is no auricle in John 1 there is an article in Thomas statement 'my Lord and 'THE' God' ho these is in greek ho being the article
Riders
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And sense the bible new testament was not written till 70 to a hundred years later and translated through several languages and we got copies of copies of copies if copies of copies etc why would we believe that passage.
Desert Snake
Veteran Member
If satan is that powerful , may as well worship it. It does say that satan is g-d of this world, oy vey.
The fake verses are easy to tell, it's the verses that don't make sense, or have foreign concepts.
None of that means that who Jesus is, in Spirit form, isn't God.
You dont even need the new testament, for that.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
‘Lord’ is a title conveying respect and awe and it can refer to Jesus or God depending upon the context of the verse. In Matthew 22:37 Jesus is referring to God as the Lord.
Matthew 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Jesus did not say “Thou shalt love me with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Jesus was commanding them to love the one true God, not to love Him.
Jesus made it clear that God was greater than He was, thus differentiating Himself from God:
Mark 10:18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.
Matthew 4:10 Jesus said to him, 'Away from me, Satan! For it is written: "Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only."
John 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
2 Corinthians 6:18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.
That is God speaking, not Jesus. In this verse, Lord Almighty refers to God. Jesus is not the Lord Almighty. Only the one true God is Almighty.
God is the Lord of all worlds and has power over all things. God is the Most Powerful, the All-Glorious, the Almighty. None of these attributes apply to Jesus.
“O ‘Alí! The bounty of Him Who is the Lord of all worlds hath been, and is still being, vouchsafed unto thee. Arm thyself with His strength and power, and arise to aid His Cause and to magnify His holy name. Let not thine ignorance in human learning and thy inability to read or write grieve thine heart. The doors of His manifold grace are within the mighty grasp of the power of the one true God. He hath opened, and will continue to open, them in the face of all them that serve Him. I fain would hope that this breeze of Divine sweetness will, at all times, continue to be wafted from the meadow of thine heart upon the whole world, in such wise that its effects may be manifested in every land. He it is that hath power over all things. He, verily, is the Most Powerful, the All-Glorious, the Almighty.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 312
Jesus is not the One, the Incomparable, the Almighty, the Most Exalted, the Most Great. Only God has these attributes.
“God grant that, with a penetrating vision, thou mayest perceive, in all things, the sign of the revelation of Him Who is the Ancient King, and recognize how exalted and sanctified from the whole creation is that most holy and sacred Being. This, in truth, is the very root and essence of belief in the unity and singleness of God. “God was alone; there was none else besides Him.” He, now, is what He hath ever been. There is none other God but Him, the One, the Incomparable, the Almighty, the Most Exalted, the Most Great.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, pp. 191-192
1 Corinthians 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
This verse clearly differentiates Jesus from God by the word “and.” Jesus is referred to as Lord as a way to convey respect and awe.
Wandering Monk
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Why should we care what the Bible says about such things? Is it authoritative to you?
LightofTruth
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Talk about not making sense. Trinitarian doctrine is so far from making sense that it's a wonder to me that any reasonable person could believe it.
LightofTruth
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Interestingly, Jesus is called the son of the Most High. Trinitarianism says that Jesus, "God the son" they call him, is the Most High.
Jesus was not a trinitarian because he has a God.
Desert Snake
Veteran Member
You're not paying attention, and you don't know the deific inferences.
When you interpret the bible the way you do,
You do not derive the Biblical God, OT reference, nor do you derive that different entity, as the God of the Believers.
1 Corinthians 8:6[One Lord, Jesus Christ
2 Corinthians 6:18[Lord Almighty
Matthew 22:37[Lord your God
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It's because the Lord, Adon'ai, is the God, of the Believers.
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You are either misinterpreting the verses that separate Jesus, the Lord, from deity, or, the scripture has errors, or, the scripture isn't talking about the god of the believers, ie the traditional God, that Believers already have.
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Desert Snake
Veteran Member
Actually im putting you on ignore.
LightofTruth
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Who is the person Jesus says is his God?