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SalixIncendium

अग्निविलोवनन्दः
Staff member
Premium Member
And that can be found in quoted paragraphs from a link. Nowhere do the rules say it has to come personally from the poster.

You're right. It doesn't. And ignorance to the definition of "commentary" will not protect you from moderation should you not adhere to said rule. It's been explained and elaborated upon, so now you understand.

The choice is now yours to follow it or don't. :)
 

Cooky

Veteran Member
You're right. It doesn't. And ignorance to the definition of "commentary" will not protect you from moderation should you not adhere to said rule. It's been explained and elaborated upon, so now you understand.

The choice is now yours to follow it or don't. :)

Fair enough, you're the arbitrators. I don't know why, it has to be interpreted that way, but I'm sure there's some reason, somewhere, by someone who knows... Maybe.
 

Cooky

Veteran Member
Probably the rule was created to prevent bots from operating here?

...I know some forums allow bots that generate news story's with a link and two paragraphs. I notice there are no bots here.

Internet bot - Wikipedia
 
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Quagmire

Imaginary talking monkey
Staff member
Premium Member
Fair enough, you're the arbitrators. I don't know why, it has to be interpreted that way, but I'm sure there's some reason, somewhere, by someone who knows... Maybe.

I'll explain: we came up with that part if the rule several years before you joined because we knew you'd make it here eventually and that it would really get on your nerves once you showed up.:thumbsup:
 

Jose Fly

Fisker of men
Would it be possible to enforce a rule/policy where threads containing copy/paste OPs are removed?

A lot of new threads start with someone pasting lengthy sections of material from elsewhere and little to no contribution from themselves. Or a single sentence with an accompanying video. It's pollution. A moderator could be cleaning it up and pointing those who violate the rule towards a sticky thread that explains what is acceptable.

I'm all for debating and dicsussing the many points where evolution and creationism collide but trying to read this stuff is hard work and it often seems that the OP masks the same set of misunderstandings behind a wall of junk that isn't even their own. There should be some responsibility on the poster to have some idea of what they want to debate or assert.

Is this possible/desirable?
I agree. Another forum I used to belong to referred to it as "argument via footnote".
 

Cooky

Veteran Member
I agree. Another forum I used to belong to referred to it as "argument via footnote".

Well, that's the problem with this forum -people offering opinions without any verifiable, credible evidence or facts.

...The popular trend is to scoff at the idea of providing links and quotes.

Essentially the atmosphere this rule leads to is opinion vs. opinion.
 

Stanyon

WWMRD?
Would it be possible to enforce a rule/policy where threads containing copy/paste OPs are removed?

A lot of new threads start with someone pasting lengthy sections of material from elsewhere and little to no contribution from themselves. Or a single sentence with an accompanying video. It's pollution. A moderator could be cleaning it up and pointing those who violate the rule towards a sticky thread that explains what is acceptable.

I'm all for debating and dicsussing the many points where evolution and creationism collide but trying to read this stuff is hard work and it often seems that the OP masks the same set of misunderstandings behind a wall of junk that isn't even their own. There should be some responsibility on the poster to have some idea of what they want to debate or assert.

Is this possible/desirable?

Hopefully the mods don't have to get involved, just ignore those threads and eventually they would get the point...one would think. I see it like this, if you create a thread and put zero effort into personalizing it then why should I waste my time? It comes off as just being lazy, trolling or just fishing.
 

SalixIncendium

अग्निविलोवनन्दः
Staff member
Premium Member
Well, that's the problem with this forum -people offering opinions without any verifiable, credible evidence or facts.

...The popular trend is to scoff at the idea of providing links and quotes.

Essentially the atmosphere this rule leads to is opinion vs. opinion.

You do understand that this thread is about the EvC sub-forum, not the forum in general, yes? So please file all other whiny complaints critiques in the circular file labeled Site Feedback.

Also, you might want to check...I think you may have left the irony on.
 

Cooky

Veteran Member
Also, you might want to check...I think you may have left the irony on.

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Jose Fly

Fisker of men
Well, that's the problem with this forum -people offering opinions without any verifiable, credible evidence or facts.

...The popular trend is to scoff at the idea of providing links and quotes.

Essentially the atmosphere this rule leads to is opinion vs. opinion.
You do realize there is middle ground between "offering opinions without verification" and posting copied material only, right? It is possible to offer one's opinions, support them with verifiable facts and citations, but not rely exclusively on copied material.
 

Cooky

Veteran Member
You do realize there is middle ground between "offering opinions without verification" and posting copied material only, right? It is possible to offer one's opinions, support them with verifiable facts and citations, but not rely exclusively on copied material.

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Quagmire

Imaginary talking monkey
Staff member
Premium Member
That's already against rules 4 and 7, so if you see it report it.

By definition, that's what commentary is...an expression of opinion.

You know, we wouldn't be having problems like this if you guys would just let me go ahead with my Dr. Seuss Rules revisions idea that you all keep voting down.

"And now we come to our nifty rule 4,
Take a moment to read it, then read it some more,
If you post a picture, quotation or link,
Supply your own words, tell us all what YOU think".

See? I bet people would actually read that.


Yeah I know, the illustrations are amateurish but I'm getting better.
 

exchemist

Veteran Member
I think this is probably the only forum in the world that does that.

...How it ever came to be, seems mysterious to me.
That is also true on a number of other forums I belong to. The reason is that lazy posters sometimes post a link without making it clear what, about the linked material, they want to discuss and why. That is both lazy and rude, because it makes readers do all the work and forces them to guess what the point of interest is.

The worst practice is linking videos. A video typically takes about ten minutes to convey information that can be read in two minutes or less in printed form.

People should have an obligation to make clear what they want to discuss and why, and then by all means support it with linked material. It's not exactly onerous, since presumably they must have a rationale for creating the thread in the first place.
 

Cooky

Veteran Member
That is also true on a number of other forums I belong to. The reason is that lazy posters sometimes post a link without making it clear what, about the linked material, they want to discuss and why. That is both lazy and rude, because it makes readers do all the work and forces them to guess what the point of interest is.

The worst practice is linking videos. A video typically takes about ten minutes to convey information that can be read in two minutes or less in printed form.

People should have an obligation to make clear what they want to discuss and why, and then by all means support it with linked material. It's not exactly onerous, since presumably they must have a rationale for creating the thread in the first place.

That kind of makes sense.

...So it doesn't actually have to do with preventing bots then?
 
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