Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Violate Article 1? Doesn't do much good if they don't draw up the papers. Irrelevant.
Why do you suppose they haven't done that yet?
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Giulliano about to be indicted
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Why do you suppose they haven't done that yet?
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
One way tickets to where? Guadalupe?
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Good question, and I'll try and look this up later today.
Ouroboros
Coincidentia oppositorum
Frankfurt, flying Lufthansa, according to another article.
Considering that they were about to be subpoenad by the House, they knew it, and only one way ticket, the arrest was most likely prompted by the suspicion that they were running.
Shad
Veteran Member
A subpoena can be challenged in court. They were trying to evade charges from the NY investigation
Riders
Well-Known Member
Your talking Giuliano . I was talking about the two men who was arrested. No he has not been indicted yet, but sense these two men worked for him there's a good chance he will.
Ouroboros
Coincidentia oppositorum
So they knew they were being investigated and about to be arrested? Kind'a poor job of the investigators not keeping it closer to the chest.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
According to the Cornell Law School, "only a marshal or authorized officer may execute a warrant". Thus Barr would not need to be gone through. Now could Barr stop it? That I don't know because my source doesn't cover that possibility.
It would be an interesting test to see what would happen.
There does appear to be some sort of Constitutional clash coming. Hard to say where any of this might lead.
Shad
Veteran Member
They were arrested in the airport waiting for a flight to Germany. The government had to unseal the indictments when they found out about the flight so part of the case is still incomplete. These two had associates in Cali arrested for similar charges earlier in the week. Government didn't need to leak anything. It was just timing of the other arrests that tipped them off.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Actually we are already in the middle of one largely because Trump & Co are ignoring most of the House subpoenas, whereas Congress has that right through Article 1 of the Constitution. However, I tend to feel that this is going to get worse as Trump is chafing at the bit and an increasing number of his staff are leaving, with some turning on him as we saw yesterday. And since Trump likes to deflect when cornered, what is he likely to do to take people's minds off his bizarre behavior? Did he allow the Turks to invade Syria and massacre our allies the Kurds for that reason? If so, it seems to be backfiring on him.
To put it bluntly, anyone who thinks Trump is for them ain't following how his narcissism is so strong he'll throw even close staff members under the bus in a heartbeat if they don't defend him, or if they themselves get caught with their hand in the cookie jar. Giuliani may well be next.
It just seems different than it was with Nixon. With Nixon, when he knew he was cornered and no way to go, he resigned and kept a modicum of dignity in the process. He would eventually become a respected elder statesman, but I don't see that happening with Trump. They'll have to drag him out of there kicking and screaming.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
I agree-- unfortunately.
Nixon knew the Law as it pertained to the balance of power. He was not a stupid man and I always wondered why he would even get involved. He was certain to win the coming election, his opponent was a liberal pacifist. Nixon won all but one state, he lost here in Massachusetts. He was certainly a statesman, but I question any respect after Watergate. Trump promises a civil war if he is impeached and removed from office, deliberately stirring up his base.
I think Nixon's perception may have changed when the Pentagon Papers came out, which is when he employed the "plumbers" to stop the leaks coming out of his Administration. That's what led to the whole Watergate mess in the first place.
It wasn't only about the election, and the cover up wasn't just about Watergate, but rather to protect the covert operations that were already going on.
As for respect for Nixon, I think the general public seemed less angry with him over time.
There were still ardent Nixon fans all throughout, and with the rise of Reagan and a general trend towards conservatism, Nixon was perhaps forgiven and rehabilitated in many people's minds. No one denied that he did wrong, but there were still those who respected his intelligence and expertise in foreign affairs.
Others of a more cynical mindset believed that Nixon was no different than any other leader, but that "he just got caught."
True, too bad he threw it all away.
sooda
Veteran Member
We have to get these crazy people OUT of politics.
Callisto
Hellenismos, BTW
Trump's greatest mistake is trying to run the office of POTUS the same shady way he handles business: cheating, lying, coercion, and corruption. Unfortunately for him, the position is far more public, actions are far more scrutinized, by a lot more people exponentially smarter than he and possessing far more knowledge about politics.
The reason that caused so many misguided Americans to vote for him is the same thing that was bound to lead to impeachment. The kicker is it won't end there - once out of office, he's facing multiple criminal charges, the scope of which is likely to grow as evidence like his tax returns are revealed. In the end, everything he thought he could get away with will be why he dies in jail, forever remembered as a conman and Worst POTUS Ever.
sooda
Veteran Member
Trump isn't an accomplished executive.. Like you said.. He's run a small mom and pop business and he's had lots and lots of failures and bankruptcies ..
Richard Branson warned us.. He said he was pleased that Americans wanted a businessman, but NOT this businessman.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
I agree with you 100%, and I think the real "kicker" could be if Trump loses in 2020 and refuses to step down by tying it up in the courts while claiming voter fraud. I think he well might do this because the day he's out of office is the day he could be indicted.
However, Putin would maybe take him in since Trump trusts him far more than our own 17 intelligence agencies.
