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FOX NEWS POLL: A Majority of American Voters Want Trump Out!
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Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Most of them likely living in urban environments dependent on the Socialist Democrats handouts.
Good thing the Electoral College decides who the winner is. Most states voted for Trump.
Augustus
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Polls should be banned.
In America, almost every discussion that appears in the media based on polls is pure noise, yet they dominate the news cycle. Almost every story would be better replaced with "election still too close to call", "no evidence of change in voter preferences after debate".
Coverage gets distorted away from issues and towards purely fictional narratives that might influence voter behaviour as they are presented as neutral fact not subjective fantasy.
Studies have also shown polls actually reduce people's faith in the political system. Elections are framed in terms of the horse-race, not the policies, and this causes people to see politicians as self-serving and manipulative (even though this is not necessarily wrong
) making people more disillusioned regarding democracy.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
Then how is it, that as the polls predicted, Hillary got a few handfuls more votes than Trump?
PureX
Veteran Member
Then he didn't "win", he was appointed.
PureX
Veteran Member
This has nothing to do with what anyone likes or dislikes in the Constitution. When people go to the polls they are voting for who they want to be president from among the lousy choices they are being presented. But because the system has been rigged to ignore their wishes, their wishes have often been ignored. As they were ignored in the last presidential election. The fact that some people, like yourself, don't care about this so long as they get "their way" doesn't mean everyone feels that way, or that it's just, or fair, or acceptable. And it doesn't mean that Trump "won" the election. Because he didn't. Hillary did. Obama did. Bush did not. Clinton did. ... See the pattern, here?
PureX
Veteran Member
You don't understand how that "system" works, then. In some states the "electors" can simply ignore the popular vote as they please, and in other states they cannot. Meanwhile, the number of electoral votes they wield is based on land mass rather than on population, so that an individual citizen's vote in a sparsely populated state influences the electoral vote more heavily than an individual citizen's vote in a more populated state. The end result being that the relationship between one citizen's actual vote to an electoral vote varies from state to state between being meaningless, to being less than, equal to, or greater than the votes of other citizen's in other states, respectively.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Nope, just as in football where what matters is how often one scores, not how many yards one earns, what matters in a Presidential election is the number of electoral votes won.
PureX
Veteran Member
Then "the game" isn't democratic, anymore.
Sadly, millions of Americans are willing to sacrifice democracy just so 'their team' can win. And the result is that no one wins, and we just keep sinking deeper and deeper into the mire of greed, ignorance, and stupidity.
Audie
Veteran Member
Its not about whether you like the constitution.
Right. It just is not fair or honourable or "acceptable",
to you.
Of course I see a pattern. Everything viewed through
your extreme ideological position.
"Facts", such as about me, made up to fit your opinion.
Win is lose, lose is win. Pattern, yes.
Lousy choices tho? Your clock is right once today.
If I could vote I'd have voted hillary, who may be
marginally less loathsome.
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Audie
Veteran Member
Twice in one day.
BSM1
What? Me worry?
I understand exactly how the system works. The EC was, and still is, probably the most ingenious system of protecting an electorate from being ruled by a cabal. Unfortunately for you the EC doesn't consider "sour grapes" a reason to not put an elected president in office.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Yep. And former representative Joe Scarborough (R-Fl) said two days ago that a recent survey of Republican voters have it that they elevate Trump over the Constitution itself. Unfortunately, I missed where that poll was from.
TheScholar
Scholar
I'm a liberal, I want Trump out. I'm not going to lie about that.
Howard Is
Lucky Mud
You have an egregious attitude.
And I mean that in the most etymologically correct way.
Outstanding !
Standing outside the herd.
Not so gregarious.
Which now means very very bad.
Hmmm....the herd has spoken.
Audie
Veteran Member
I dont specialize in caring what others think about me.
Polls should be banned.
In America, almost every discussion that appears in the media based on polls is pure noise, yet they dominate the news cycle. Almost every story would be better replaced with "election still too close to call", "no evidence of change in voter preferences after debate".
Coverage gets distorted away from issues and towards purely fictional narratives that might influence voter behaviour as they are presented as neutral fact not subjective fantasy.
Studies have also shown polls actually reduce people's faith in the political system. Elections are framed in terms of the horse-race, not the policies, and this causes people to see politicians as self-serving and manipulative (even though this is not necessarily wrong
I agree with the points you're making here, although I don't think polls will ever be banned. But it does raise an interesting point in that free speech and freedom of the press can actually be considered hindrances to fair and free elections. What if there were no rules requiring "equal time" or limits on campaign contributions? It would be consistent with the First Amendment, but it might be seen as leading to unfair elections.
On the other hand, if the electorate is too weak-willed and too easily influenced by polls, media pundits, and endless campaign advertising, then maybe we get what we deserve. If the public is too ignorant, spineless, and/or wishy-washy to be able to handle democracy in the raw, then maybe the people don't deserve to have a say in how they're governed.
Howard Is
Lucky Mud
Exactly. An egregious attitude
Anyway, maybe they don’t think too much about you, they’re like ...
you know ? LOL
That’s why democracy only requires a few pen scrawls every four years. There would be a revolution if the mob were forced to think about stuff.
wellwisher
Well-Known Member
The polls are nothing but a type of blind man's prophesy. Most polls are used to measure the effectiveness of public opinion manipulation. If the big issue of today is Biden and Ukraine, polls are run to see how effective fake news or the truth, have been in shaping public opinion. People who want others to tell them what to think, will follow the daily polling oracles to see how the herd is moving, today. Polls change day to day, since the story line changes, and the effectiveness varies.
The exit polling in the 2016 election showed Hillary was supposed to win in a landslide. That result never materialized. Instead, the opposite happened. The main reason the oracle got it wrong was fake news, the swamp, and left wing propaganda had been very successful in intimidating Trump supporters. The result was they did not answer the exit polls honestly, in public, out of fear of becoming a target. But in the privacy of the voting booth, they were honest with themselves and voted without fear.
Consider any place on the internet where there are left wing activists reinforcing fake news. If they find a Trump supporter, the i-KKK will gang up on them. Most people who do not want the harassment, and will not make waves. Others do not mind the sparring with the i-KKK. But come election time, everyone can vote in private, which is what happened in 2016. It is going to be a landslide for Trump in 2020, that includes a major shift in minority voting. The older Blacks remember how this same Democrat playback; non stop gossip, legal intrigue, and intimidation, was done to many prominent black leaders. The Democrats even taught the Nazi's these techniques.
The Democrats have done nothing for the country, since Trump was elected. All their time has been devoted to gossip, lies and fake news. This have only benefitted themselves. Trump on the other hand, has kept his promises, even with the Democrats creating nothing but obstacles. The good economy and low unemployment benefits all the country, including Democrats. Which of the two ways best serves the country? Which way will only serve half the country, in elected in 2020?
The wild card for future day to day polling has yet to appear. This is being saved for the fourth quarter. This will be the Attorney General Barr's report and indictments connected to the origins of the fake news and Democrat swamp collusion delusion. How will these indictments and revelations sway public opinion and what will the oracles say in terms of its effectiveness?
The exit polling in the 2016 election showed Hillary was supposed to win in a landslide. That result never materialized. Instead, the opposite happened. The main reason the oracle got it wrong was fake news, the swamp, and left wing propaganda had been very successful in intimidating Trump supporters. The result was they did not answer the exit polls honestly, in public, out of fear of becoming a target. But in the privacy of the voting booth, they were honest with themselves and voted without fear.
Consider any place on the internet where there are left wing activists reinforcing fake news. If they find a Trump supporter, the i-KKK will gang up on them. Most people who do not want the harassment, and will not make waves. Others do not mind the sparring with the i-KKK. But come election time, everyone can vote in private, which is what happened in 2016. It is going to be a landslide for Trump in 2020, that includes a major shift in minority voting. The older Blacks remember how this same Democrat playback; non stop gossip, legal intrigue, and intimidation, was done to many prominent black leaders. The Democrats even taught the Nazi's these techniques.
The Democrats have done nothing for the country, since Trump was elected. All their time has been devoted to gossip, lies and fake news. This have only benefitted themselves. Trump on the other hand, has kept his promises, even with the Democrats creating nothing but obstacles. The good economy and low unemployment benefits all the country, including Democrats. Which of the two ways best serves the country? Which way will only serve half the country, in elected in 2020?
The wild card for future day to day polling has yet to appear. This is being saved for the fourth quarter. This will be the Attorney General Barr's report and indictments connected to the origins of the fake news and Democrat swamp collusion delusion. How will these indictments and revelations sway public opinion and what will the oracles say in terms of its effectiveness?