Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
And they were correct when it come to how the people voted.
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FOX NEWS POLL: A Majority of American Voters Want Trump Out!
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metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Plus Comey's late minute announcement of reopening the investigation on Hillary might have even done it on its own. When I heard him say that, I told our oldest daughter the Trump was likely going to win because too many people that I knew weren't enamored with Hillary nor Trump, so this was an excuse for some to vote for the latter..
Audie
Veteran Member
whatevs
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
One must remember that impeachment is a political process and conviction in the Senate largely relies on the public opinion. If a Senator thought that voting for conviction would make him win he will probably vote for it and vice versa. Also referring to Clinton's survival of this process does not really help Trump. There never was even close to a majority of people for convicting Clinton. In fact the percentage that thought he should be acquitted never dropped below 60%:
CNN/AllPolitics - Clinton's standing with the public
If the poll results get any worse I am betting that there will be massive pressure from the Republicans for Trump to resign.
EDIT: Same source, at the very worst for Clinton 40% thought that he should resign and 56% thought that he should not:
And a clear majority thought that he should be censured:
I am sure that there were those heavily into denial from both sides at that time as there are now. I see a lot more similarity to Nixon's troubles than Clinton's in this current mess.
CNN/AllPolitics - Clinton's standing with the public
If the poll results get any worse I am betting that there will be massive pressure from the Republicans for Trump to resign.
EDIT: Same source, at the very worst for Clinton 40% thought that he should resign and 56% thought that he should not:
And a clear majority thought that he should be censured:
I am sure that there were those heavily into denial from both sides at that time as there are now. I see a lot more similarity to Nixon's troubles than Clinton's in this current mess.
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I think it's surprising to Trump. With growing support to impeach, politicians won't be so fearful to go against him. And Donny will be seeing the headlights coming down the road straight towards him. Then, he does something really reckless, as any dictator about to lose power with a scorched-earth mentality, a "I'm bringing the country down with me!," maneuver, and hopefully is removed from office in handcuffs.
That's what I'm predicting will probably happen. Hopefully, we will survive whatever that will be, however. He already was priming us for a "Civil War". He smells the fire at his feet. And this is what dictators do. I hope America realizes what we stand to lose if we don't resolve to defend the Constitution, both Republicans and Democrats.
averageJOE
zombie
This is our country:
Whistleblower Edward Snowden exposes the NSA spying on the American people, and he is now forced to live in exile in Russia. NSA continues spying.
Whistleblower Chelse Manning exposes war crimes of our miliatry, ends up in prison. War crimes continue.
Julian Assange publishes whistleblowers stories, ends up in prison.
All three are labeled traitors.
A whistleblower comes forward saying Trump is corrupt...well now that's just crossing the line! And this whistleblower is a hero!
Whistleblower Edward Snowden exposes the NSA spying on the American people, and he is now forced to live in exile in Russia. NSA continues spying.
Whistleblower Chelse Manning exposes war crimes of our miliatry, ends up in prison. War crimes continue.
Julian Assange publishes whistleblowers stories, ends up in prison.
All three are labeled traitors.
A whistleblower comes forward saying Trump is corrupt...well now that's just crossing the line! And this whistleblower is a hero!
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
The point is that it's looking so bad for Trump that even Fox is forced to face reality.
BSM1
What? Me worry?
Of course you're right. Next.
Polls might serve a useful purpose for some, but they can sometimes be misleading and could unduly influence the electorate. For one thing, it could keep people home on election day, if they already believe their candidate is going to win.
Or there might be some kind of bandwagon effect, where the undecideds might go with whoever they think has the majority support. When in doubt, just go with the flow, I guess.
How about a "clowder of cats"? Or a "parliament of owls"?
PureX
Veteran Member
She did win. The polls can't predict what the electoral college will do, they can only predict what the voters will do. And the voters did what most of the polls predicted they would do. But the electoral college ignored the popular vote, and appointed Trump, anyway.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Sorry, but as much as I dislike Trump he did win. We do not have a popular vote for the President.
Just as in a football game where the team with the most yards, or a baseball game where the team with the most hits wins, there are other goals. The person with the most popular votes does not necessarily win the Presidency. And if you don't like that then work to change it to a popular vote.
Audie
Veteran Member
The cons dont like the constitution when it dont go their way,
so fair is fair if you feels that way when it dont go yours
BSM1
What? Me worry?
The EC did not '"ignore the popular" vote. The delegates from the states that Trump won (emphasize "WON") voted with the popular vote of their states. This system has been in effect for well over 200 hundred years...you had plenty of time to voice your opposition before now.
Audie
Veteran Member
Audie
Veteran Member
Oh now you know how creationists and
"philosophers" are. They just say things.
Facts not in evidence are their bricks n mortar.
You gonna leave them homeless?
Ouroboros
Coincidentia oppositorum
Exactly. Just consider the "don't throw your vote away" argument. If in an election there are multiple choices, beyond two, there's always this "don't vote for any of the minority ones, because they won't win anyway, vote for the candidate I believe in instead." Which basically is, "go with the flow, follow the crowd, don't think yourself, and don't vote for what you believe in." The polls can kind'a work that way too.
BSM1
What? Me worry?
Audie
Veteran Member
If you want me to get you, you will be sorry.
Callisto
Hellenismos, BTW
"Traitor" means someone who has betrayed their country, i.e. treason. Julian Assange isn't an American citizen.
Lots of previous whistleblowers and leakers have had their lives ruined so why are you complaining this whistleblower's hasn't (yet)? Especially given Trump has already made it clear he'd persecute them and their sources if he knew their identity.
We have a whistleblower who has gone through the proper channels so they would not have attacks against them like a Snowden. And so far, their filed complaint against Trump has been found to be credible. One should be glad to see the whistleblower is protected instead of in exile and thankful they had the courage to call out corruption despite seeing how others have been treated.