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Preventing religious abuse

JJ50

Well-Known Member
How should/could religious abuse be prevented in religious societies and communities?

Laws should be passed making religious abuse illegal. This should include both the physical and emotional abuse perpetrated but more extreme theists, especially that aimed at children and the vulnerable. My sadistic 'born again' paternal grandmother tortured me from the age of two with the idea of hell-fire awaiting naughty little girls like me. It used to give me horrible nightmares.:mad:
 
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ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
Laws should be passed making religious illegal. This should include both the physical and emotional abuse perpetrated but more extreme theists, especially that aimed at children and the vulnerable. My sadistic 'born again' paternal grandmother tortured me from the age of two with the idea of hell-fire awaiting naughty little girls like me. It used to give me horrible nightmares.:mad:


I had similar from most of the congregation of the church i attended because i could not read the bible. It drove me from the church. When my dyslexia was diagnosed and measures were put in place to aid the clarity of words i began to study the bible to see where such evil came from. Seems that the whole OT is dedicated to teaching the abuse of those who are different.

Yes, laws should be passed to prevent such abuse
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
How should/could religious abuse be prevented in religious societies and communities?
  • Don't exempt religious organizations from protective laws (e.g. mandatory reporting rules).
  • Don't allow religious organizations to have such social status or influence that the police or prosecutors would hesitate to go after a perpetrator in a religious organization.
  • Require charitable organizations - religious or not - to report basic information, e.g. financial statements to show the extent of settlement payouts, and the number and nature of abuse claims they experience.
  • Require every organization with responsibility over children to enact a youth protection program and have penalties for not following it.
  • Limit religious organizations' ability to shield themselves from liability (e.g. incorporating each diocese as a separate legal entity).
  • Take steps to ensure interaction between religious communities and wider society. Limit their ability to be closed-off and insular.
  • Ensure that every person - especially every girl - receives a proper education to the point where they could find a job to support themselves if they left an abusive situation.
  • Legal and housing supports for abuse victims who flee their abusers.
 

JJ50

Well-Known Member
I had similar from most of the congregation of the church i attended because i could not read the bible. It drove me from the church. When my dyslexia was diagnosed and measures were put in place to aid the clarity of words i began to study the bible to see where such evil came from. Seems that the whole OT is dedicated to teaching the abuse of those who are different.

Yes, laws should be passed to prevent such abuse

I am sorry you had such a horrible experience.:eek: Good grief dyslexia is a nuisance, but the ones with the problem are those who see it as evil. Our middle daughter, a highly intelligent woman, is dyslexic, as is her younger son. I appear to suffer from dyscalculia, which involves maths, thank goodness for calculators.
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
How should/could religious abuse be prevented in religious societies and communities?
By maintaining a strictly secularist legal system that does not ever attempt to decide what should count as "truly" religious, but instead judges the reasonability of religiously-motivated changes and exceptions on the merits and costs of the changes themselves.

And by encouraging religious education, in the form that makes people aware of the diversity of beliefs and religious perspectives.
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
Laws should be passed making religious illegal. This should include both the physical and emotional abuse perpetrated but more extreme theists, especially that aimed at children and the vulnerable. My sadistic 'born again' paternal grandmother tortured me from the age of two with the idea of hell-fire awaiting naughty little girls like me. It used to give me horrible nightmares.:mad:
Don't you think that it can be at least challenging to establish what exactly should be legal and what should not be?

Maybe I am misunderstanding what you mean by "making religion illegal"?
 

JJ50

Well-Known Member
Don't you think that it can be at least challenging to establish what exactly should be legal and what should not be?

Maybe I am misunderstanding what you mean by "making religion illegal"?

Sorry about that, my fault, I should have checked my post more thoroughly, I meant to say 'religious abuse' should be illegal.
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
How should/could religious abuse be prevented in religious societies and communities?

Probably should start off by defining it. Not everyone is going to agree on what religious abuse is. Some religious rituals may seem pretty abusive to me, other folks might feel fall under some legal protection.
 

JJ50

Well-Known Member
Probably should start off by defining it. Not everyone is going to agree on what religious abuse is. Some religious rituals may seem pretty abusive to me, other folks might feel fall under some legal protection.

I consider the following religious abuse.

Threatening people with the tortures of hell if they don't get 'saved', when there is no evidence it exists.

Expecting one's children to take on board the religion of their parents, and penalising them if they don't.

Anti-gay bigotry, using the Bible as an excuse for such unpleasant behaviour, especially when it is treated as a disease, which needs curing.

Exorcism hocus pocus, particularly if children are subjected to it.

Expecting women to kow tow to the male of the species.

Circumcision of male or female for religious purposes.

Preventing women from having abortions.
 

Earthtank

Active Member
Expecting one's children to take on board the religion of their parents, and penalising them if they don't.

What else would a parent expect? you (and I) are agnostic, so let me ask you, what would you expect your child "to take on board". Children at a certain age and for a certain time will take on what they are taught by parents.

Circumcision of male or female for religious purposes.

You seem to have zero knowledge on the benefits of circumcision, regardless of the purpose its done for. Also, women do NOT get circumcised, are you talking about FGM?

Preventing women from having abortions.
This is not an exclusively religious thing. Many non religious people oppose abortion.

Honestly from reading your comments, and seeing how they are no more than blind hate, I must say you are the reason people have such a negative opinion of Agnostics
 

Audie

Veteran Member
What else would a parent expect? you (and I) are agnostic, so let me ask you, what would you expect your child "to take on board". Children at a certain age and for a certain time will take on what they are taught by parents.



You seem to have zero knowledge on the benefits of circumcision, regardless of the purpose its done for. Also, women do NOT get circumcised, are you talking about FGM?


This is not an exclusively religious thing. Many non religious people oppose abortion.

Honestly from reading your comments, and seeing how they are no more than blind hate, I must say you are the reason people have such a negative opinion of Agnostics

Female genital mutilation (FGM), also known as female genital cutting and female circumcision, is the ritual cutting or removal of some or all of the external female genitalia. The practice is found in Africa, Asia and the Middle East, and within communities from countries in which FGM is common.
 

Earthtank

Active Member
Female genital mutilation (FGM), also known as female genital cutting and female circumcision, is the ritual cutting or removal of some or all of the external female genitalia. The practice is found in Africa, Asia and the Middle East, and within communities from countries in which FGM is common.

Awesome. You can copy/paste. Got a point?
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
How should/could religious abuse be prevented in religious societies and communities?
How should Abuse be prevented in any society or community? It is not only in some religious sects where abuse happens, but 99% of abuse happens in none religious groups or families
 
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