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Jesus isn't Jewish

sooda

Veteran Member
Jesus didn't write the book of Romans, and the verse is in context, ie it is referring to the practice of circumcision, (jewish practice.
The context is to not practice circumcision,

So, no correlation there.

The correlation could be that Jesus didn't practice circumcision. Only The book of Luke mentions that about yeshua, and the book of Acts is a bizarre hodge podge.
Oh baloney. Jesus was circumcised. All Jewish boys were. Where in5 scripture does Jesus say to stop circumcision?
 

Desert Snake

Veteran Member
@Desert Snake

John 6:28-29. Jesus is reported to have mentioned circumcision only once: Jesus answered and said to them, "I did one work, and you all marvel. "Moses therefore gave you circumcision (not that it is from Moses, but from the fathers), and you circumcise a man on the Sabbath.

Why Christians need not be circumcised
www.circumstitions.com/Xy.html
bath.
Have you researched whether it was Yeshua who said, 'not that it is from Moses, ...'

Because that seems like an added reference. Yeshua clearly is attributing the practice to Moses.

Anyways the mention of the patriarchs is in a greek version, so regardless
 
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Desert Snake

Veteran Member
Oh baloney. Jesus was circumcised. All Jewish boys were. Where in5 scripture does Jesus say to stop circumcision?

@Desert Snake

John 6:28-29. Jesus is reported to have mentioned circumcision only once: Jesus answered and said to them, "I did one work, and you all marvel. "Moses therefore gave you circumcision (not that it is from Moses, but from the fathers), and you circumcise a man on the Sabbath.

Why Christians need not be circumcised
www.circumstitions.com/Xy.html
bath.

There are explanations as to why , there, aside from Galatians , which goes into detail.
 

sooda

Veteran Member
Have you researched whether it was Yeshua who said, 'not that it is from Moses, ...'

Because that seems like an added reference. Yeshua clearly is attributing the practice to Moses.

Just from John 7 in the Bible..

Abraham first circumcised all the men and boys in his household long before the Exodus.

What is the issue? All Jews and Muslims re circumcised .. its not required of Christians.

Search
 

Desert Snake

Veteran Member
John 7:21-24

Not sure how this means much either way, Jeshua does say 'given you', not 'given us'.[practice of circumcision.

This goes along with book of Galatians, however book of Galatians doesn't mention the practice being given to Abraam, only equates it the Mosaic laws.
Actually, Jesua doesn't mention Abraam, either.
 

Desert Snake

Veteran Member
Would say that by going by "direct word meaning and inference", Jesus isn't equating the practice of circumcision, to Himself. 'Given you'.

That being said the Bible isn't usually read in a manner of direct word to meaning, ie 'the way we normally equate word and meaning inference',


So there's that.

Personally, I would go by 'direct word to meaning inference', here, however that is up to the reader.
 
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sooda

Veteran Member
John 7:21-24

Not sure how this means much either way, Jeshua does say 'given you', not 'given us'.[practice of circumcision.

This goes along with book of Galatians, however book of Galatians doesn't mention the practice being given to Abraam, only equates it the Mosaic laws.
Actually, Jesua doesn't mention Abraam, either.

Given YOU is proper..
Are you Jewish? Is that why you say Jesua?


Circumcision was a permanent sign that God would fulfill the promises He made to Abraham. It is a sign that points to the necessity of the circumcision of the heart and putting away of our sinful flesh.

Genesis 17:10-14 10This is my covenant with you and your descendants after you, the covenant you are to keep: Every male among you shall be circumcised.

11You are to undergo circumcision, and it will be the sign of the covenant between me and you.

12For the generations to come every male among you who is eight days old must be circumcised, including those born in your household or bought with money from a foreigner-those who are not your offspring.

13Whether born in your household or bought with your money, they must be circumcised. My covenant in your flesh is to be an everlasting covenant.

14Any uncircumcised male, who has not been circumcised in the flesh, will be cut off from his people; he has broken my covenant."
 

Desert Snake

Veteran Member
Given YOU is proper..
Are you Jewish? Is that why you say Jesua?


Circumcision was a permanent sign that God would fulfill the promises He made to Abraham. It is a sign that points to the necessity of the circumcision of the heart and putting away of our sinful flesh.

Genesis 17:10-14 10This is my covenant with you and your descendants after you, the covenant you are to keep: Every male among you shall be circumcised.

11You are to undergo circumcision, and it will be the sign of the covenant between me and you.

12For the generations to come every male among you who is eight days old must be circumcised, including those born in your household or bought with money from a foreigner-those who are not your offspring.

13Whether born in your household or bought with your money, they must be circumcised. My covenant in your flesh is to be an everlasting covenant.

14Any uncircumcised male, who has not been circumcised in the flesh, will be cut off from his people; he has broken my covenant."
It doesn't match John 7, or Galatians
 

Desert Snake

Veteran Member
So you reject Genesis 17?
Sure, I would anyway. However so does John 7, and Galatians, and Jesus religion traditionally.

So, if you don't reject those verses, then one might say the jews were rectified somehow, or such. Though, in Galatians, physical circumcision is noted, it just can't be combined with salvation via faith. In other words, even Galatians rejects physical circumcision.
 

Desert Snake

Veteran Member
Jeshua said some things were incorrect, this is just one of those things.

['Everlasting covenant '... so forth

[John 7

They don't match.

The christians are supposed to be in the Abraamic covenant, [book of Galatians, and even if not, they don't match
 

sooda

Veteran Member
Sure, I would anyway. However so does John 7, and Galatians, and Jesus religion traditionally.

So, if you don't reject those verses, then one might say the jews were rectified somehow, or such. Though, in Galatians, physical circumcision is noted, it just can't be combined with salvation via faith. In other words, even Galatians rejects physical circumcision.

Galatians wasn't written until 50 or 60 AD... long after the crucifixion and long after "Christianity" had begun to come into its own..

There was a lot of dispute.. James thought Gentiles first had to become Jews to be part of the Christ Cult. (be circumcised) Paul said no.. There was a big confrontation about it in Jerusalem.. Paul prevailed.
 

MJ Bailey

Member
You can be born of a religion and not wear the "flag or tag". Who you really are is not defined by anything more than yourself.
 

Desert Snake

Veteran Member
Galatians wasn't written until 50 or 60 AD... long after the crucifixion and long after "Christianity" had begun to come into its own..

There was a lot of dispute.. James thought Gentiles first had to become Jews to be part of the Christ Cult. (be circumcised) Paul said no.. There was a big confrontation about it in Jerusalem.. Paul prevailed.
I don't think it's that simple. First, there was a context, for Jesus, many jewish followers, then neither the christian bible, nor the jewish bible, were canonized, until after Jeshua was in Israel.

The bibles are different by how the traditions viewed the texts, there is a big difference, right there.
 
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Desert Snake

Veteran Member
John 7 matches book of Galatians, in that, there is a specification,
John 7,
'From the patriarchs', and in Galatians, 'priests', ie not actually Moses.

Both Jeshua, and the Epistles, are not relating certain things, to Moses, that those jews, specifically, were.

In other words, John 7 infers that those jews, actually attributed the practice of circumcision, to Moses, not Abraham, otherwise the verse makes no sense. In the Epistles, the same idea, is presented, ie the inference is that it is a priestly custom, not from Abraam, or Moses, in John 7, and, in Galatians, either from Moses, or the 'priests'.

The Christians didn't equate various added laws, to Moses, that were, and are, attributed to Moses.

Part of this, probably, is how they canonized the christian bible. They obviously didn't cross reference, for contradictions.

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Saying that 'every jew disagreed with Jeshua', isn't a good argument. If it is your argument, then why be a christian. [If you believe the jews who disagreed, to be correct.
 
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