Cardinal Raymond Burke vs Pope Francis

Estro Felino · Oct 10, 2019

I really admire this Cardinal...I hope he will become Pope someday. .
Above all he will get support from the rightist parties in the Italian Republic.

Revoltingest · Oct 10, 2019

He looks a lot like George Costanza.

Altfish · Oct 10, 2019

Estro Felino said:
I really admire this Cardinal...I hope he will become Pope someday. .
Above all he will get support from the rightist parties in the Italian Republic.

If he were to become pope it would be the end of the Catholic Church; he is against everything progressive. (That might be a good thing)
Having said that since the US and Europe seem hell bent on going back to the 16th Century he'll probably get elected

Debater Slayer · Oct 10, 2019

Estro Felino said:
I really admire this Cardinal...I hope he will become Pope someday. .

I wouldn't be surprised. The Catholic Church can't stoop lower than shielding child abusers and pedophiles among its ranks, after all.

Above all he will get support from the rightist parties in the Italian Republic.

That does say quite a bit about him. I'm sure a healthy dose of fascists and neo-Nazis might be all too willing to support his views. Birds of a feather and all that.

I like what someone once told me: "If you walk inside sewers, don't be surprised to be surrounded by cockroaches."

Rival · Oct 10, 2019

He's against unbridled immigration.

So are most people.

That's literally it.

Estro Felino · Oct 10, 2019

Altfish said:
If he were to become pope it would be the end of the Catholic Church;

Well...shouldn't you be more concerned about the Church of England?

Altfish · Oct 10, 2019

Estro Felino said:
Well...shouldn't you be more concerned about the Chudch of England?

No, they're dying already

metis · Oct 10, 2019

I don't see this as a Burke v Francis thingy after listening to the recording. As Catholics, we have the Christ-mandated duty to try and help those in need, but that doesn't amount to just throwing open the borders of a country to anyone. If we can't can't help all here, and I would propose that we realistically can't, then we should do our best to help them where they live.

Tragically and immorally, imo, Trump pulled all of our aid to the Northern Triangle Countries, so where are the right-wingers in regards to getting on Trump's case about that deplorable action? Common sense should have it that if we don't help them there then may will leave to come here.

lewisnotmiller · Oct 10, 2019

Rival said:
He's against unbridled immigration.

So are most people.

That's literally it.

That's not literally it at all. There are a whole range of things in which he's at odds with the current Pope.

This includes his views on proselytizing, particularly around other 'peoples of the book'.
He's claimed that a large percentage of the global population are in open apostasy (which, incidentally, I'd agree with).
He's taken a stand against any moves to ordain married men.

I'm not going to get into who is right and wrong in a theological sense. It's not really my place, and ultimately I'm not sure it moves anything in the 'right' direction. Burke would clearly see theological 'correctness' and the world moving in the right direction as being one and the same, but I don't have to.

However, they are vastly different in terms of their approaches to the church, and to how they think the church should approach the world. In many, many ways.

lewisnotmiller · Oct 10, 2019

Estro Felino said:
I really admire this Cardinal...I hope he will become Pope someday. .
Above all he will get support from the rightist parties in the Italian Republic.

I would say he has the courage of his convictions. So there's that.
But I wouldn't like to see him as Pope. At all.

Rival · Oct 10, 2019

lewisnotmiller said:
That's not literally it at all. There are a whole range of things in which he's at odds with the current Pope.

This includes his views on proselytizing, particularly around other 'peoples of the book'.
He's claimed that a large percentage of the global population are in open apostasy (which, incidentally, I'd agree with).
He's taken a stand against any moves to ordain married men.

I'm not going to get into who is right and wrong in a theological sense. It's not really my place, and ultimately I'm not sure it moves anything in the 'right' direction. Burke would clearly see theological 'correctness' and the world moving in the right direction as being one and the same, but I don't have to.

However, they are vastly different in terms of their approaches to the church, and to how they think the church should approach the world. In many, many ways.

Well yeah, he's a Catholic. What was anyone expecting? Big deal.

Also my comment was only intended to be about what he says in the video itself.

Cardinal Raymond Burke vs Pope Francis

Estro Felino

Believer in free will

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian

Altfish

Veteran Member

Debater Slayer

Vipassana

Rival

se Dex me saut.

Estro Felino

Believer in free will

Altfish

Veteran Member

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist

lewisnotmiller

Grand Hat

lewisnotmiller

Grand Hat

Rival

se Dex me saut.