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Westernsplaining the scriptures.

Jainarayan

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ajay0

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So one paper and a motif that has existed in many cultures over a long time refute the Kugan hypothesis? That...doesn't seem like it fulfills the burden of proof

I have only explained the Indian position in this regard based on our scriptures, present spiritual leaders and recent archaeological findings.

There has been migrations from different parts of the world to India in ancient times, and they were incorporated into the Dharmic religious and social structure. But to state that Indian religious philosophies and Vedas came from outside 3500 years back in total contradiction of the facts present shows pseudo-scholarship.

This also does not account for the dark complexion of Rama, Krishna, Bharatha, Arjuna, Abhimanyu, Drona, Nakula, Draupadi and others mentioned in the ancient scriptures.
 

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
Sure, the Homo sapiens (of IVC or outside it, i.e., Gangetic plains and many other such places all over) were foraging for even before modern humans appeared and could have learnt about agriculture. And there could have been people or technology from Iran. That does not contravene the Aryan Migration Theory. As for Rakhigarhi, we need to reserve our judgment. Very few skeletons or bones have been found and they have yet to be analyzed properly, news reports notwithstanding.

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Centers of origin (of agriculture), as numbered by Nikolai Vavilov in the 1930s. Area 3 (gray) is no longer recognised as a centre of origin, and Papua New Guinea (area P, orange) was identified more recently. Agriculture - Wikipedia
 

shivsomashekhar

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There still continues to be ignorance (and denial) about the complexity of Aryan migration from the Eurasian Steppe to Europe, Iran and India.

I see people (mostly Indians) still getting sentimental about an outdated "Aryan Invasion theory" and drawing support against it from online articles written by other Indians of a similar mindset.

I would ask people to set their biases aside and take the time to educate themselves on the topic. @Notthedarkweb is correct. The Kurgan hypothesis best explains the migration of people over time, the spread of language from PIE and attempts to explain similarities (and differences) across a large geographic area over a long period of time. Look it up. A few years ago, Asko Parpola wrote a good book on the roots of Hinduism. Read it, if you can.

Data and the scientific method are your best tools to get as close as possible to the truth. Indian swamijis and wannabe historians do not qualify. No one is grinding a political axe here and there is no Western conspiracy. The proposed homeland of the Aryans is the Eurasian Steppe and not Western Europe.
 
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ajay0

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There still continues to be ignorance (and denial) about the complexity of Aryan migration from the Eurasian Steppe to Europe, Iran and India.

I see people (mostly Indians) still getting sentimental about an outdated "Aryan Invasion theory" and drawing support against it from online articles written by other Indians of a similar mindset.

I would ask people to set their biases aside and take the time to educate themselves on the topic. @Notthedarkweb is correct. The Kurgan hypothesis best explains the migration of people over time, the spread of language from PIE and attempts to explain similarities (and differences) across a large geographic area over a long period of time. Look it up. A few years ago, Asko Parpola wrote a good book on the roots of Hinduism. Read it, if you can.

Data and the scientific method are your best tools to get as close as possible to the truth. Indian swamijis and wannabe historians do not qualify. No one is grinding a political axe here and there is no Western conspiracy. The proposed homeland of the Aryans is the Eurasian Steppe and not Western Europe.

There has been migrations from all over the world to India, but this does not the change the basic meaning of the term ' Arya' as explained in the Dharmic philosophies of Hinduism, Buddhism and Jainism as noble or a person of virtuous conduct.

India was also under the sovereignty of the Turkish Mongol Mughals and other invaders for many centuries, so there has been a lot of infusions of foreign blood to the Indian gene pool which makes it a mixed race.
 
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Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
Reports say they have found 37 skeletons in Rakhigarhi. Two have been fleshed with this result:

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"Going by the 3-D video representation of the faces, the two individuals appeared to have Caucasian features with hawk-shaped and Roman noses. The study, however, cautioned against drawing any generic conclusions."
Scientists reconstruct faces of Indus Valley people | India News - Times of India
A few years ago, Asko Parpola wrote a good book on the roots of Hinduism. .. The proposed homeland of the Aryans is the Eurasian Steppe and not Western Europe.
I do not know very well what Parpola wrote, but Hinduism is different from IE/Indo-Iranian/Vedic religion. Hinduism is indigenous. Of course, the Vedic religion merged with Hinduism when the former came to India.

The homeland could have been Northern Europe or Western Siberia before the ice-age and before the PIE/IE sought refuge in Eurasian steppes. Avesta and RigVeda, and even the European mythology has evidence for it. For example the ten-month, 304-day Old Roman calendar which was modified by Emperor Nemo around 700 BCE by adding January and February. That is as solid as evidence can be.
 
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