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If it could be proved no god exists

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QuestioningMind

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MJFlores said:
@QuestioningMind @A Vestigial Mote

The OP said if it could be proved no god exist - what would happen....
Maybe we will be trapped in to endless wonder that in the beginning
there was nothing and then there was a whole lot of something

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and if there was really something in the beginning which is the source of all of these plentiful something
isn't that great that this something was the source of all non living and living things?
isn't that amazing that this something was the source of all rational and irrational thoughts?
isn't it amazing that this something was the source of all physical laws of space and time?
Or should we just resign to the fact, like a simpleton would do that....

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there was nothing and then there was a whole lot of something

Still waiting for your evidence that there was ever NOTHING. If you're going to make an assertion you should be able to back it up.
 
ecco

ecco

Veteran Member
KenS said:
I don't agree with your perspective.

With over 1000 Christian sects, you would be hard pressed to convince me that 99.9% of them believe that there is more than one God, which is what we were referencing.
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Nonsense. There are over 1000 Christian sects because people have different conceptualizations about what God is. They all believe one God. It's just that their perception of God is different from other Christian's perception of God. The difference may not be as great as the difference between Allah and Shive, but different nevertheless.

I asked a Christian about the Trinity and he replied that there are 7 different versions listed in the Bible.
 
ecco

ecco

Veteran Member
KenS said:
You assume that a world without God equates to normal people with stable mental health. Tell that to Hitler,
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Do you mean the Adolph Hitler who used the writings of God's servant, Martin Luther, to inflame German Christians against Europe's Jews?
 
Trailblazer

Trailblazer

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JJ50 said:
I wonder what would be the reaction of theists if evidence was discovered which proved beyond any shadow of doubt that no god has ever existed, and all faiths are created by humans?
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That is not possible, but if it could be done, I would retire and start spending all the money I have amassed... :rolleyes:
The first thing I would do is hire a pet-sitter and take a vacation, a long vacation all around the world. That reminds me of my Aunt Olive.... She was an atheist and she went around the world on a freighter back when it was unheard of for a woman to travel like that alone, in the 1950s.

I cannot imagine why any atheist would think it is "fun" being a believer. o_O
 
Trailblazer

Trailblazer

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9-10ths_Penguin said:
I'm not sure that's even possible.

For one thing, a god would have to be a coherent concept before we could say that the concept is false. Many gods just haven't been defined coherently.
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No, there is no way we could ever prove God does not exist because we can always say He is hiding, which He is very good at. :D
 
MJFlores

MJFlores

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TagliatelliMonster said:
The origins of the universe are unknown. Science is working on it. They might find out or they might not. If they don't, the only proper answer is "we don't know".
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"We don't know"
What we know are:
  1. We just exists
  2. Nobody made us
  3. Nothing made us

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TagliatelliMonster said:
I love how the only alternative to "god did it", in your mind at least, seems to be "giving up on trying to find an answer". As if your "god did it" was ever a proper answer...
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I'm toying around the Original Post
Assuming it is proven that no god exists
So, I've been thinking and what do you think?
We would have plenty of "IDK" or I don't know.
Maybe someone would come out of the blue, just like that with no reason whatsoever.
That would be fantastic right?


A Vestigial Mote said:
Why not just answer HONESTLY with the phrase "I don't know?" Then you don't have to claim it started with "nothing", you don't have to take the currently indefensible position that "someone" had to be involved. You just get to be honest - instead of lying through your teeth and pretending you know.

Also - do you think these little animated gifs and images you include strengthen your argument? If not, then why do you include them?
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Sure we could play I don't know.
But assuming someone said it was proven that no god exists
then that person knows your I don't know

QuestioningMind said:
there was nothing and then there was a whole lot of something

Still waiting for your evidence that there was ever NOTHING. If you're going to make an assertion you should be able to back it up.
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Then there was something or someone?
If I don't have evidence that in the beginning there was ever nothing?

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Trailblazer

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
LuisDantas said:
Maybe it is the way you word it, or maybe it is the incoherence of the premise in the OP itself, but I find that a bit self-contradictory.
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If God could be proven to NOT exist, I think it would be catastrophic for believers who love God and depend upon Him for stuff. Does that make more sense now?
 
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PruePhillip

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QuestioningMind said:
And where is your evidence that this N.O.T.H.I.N.G. you claim ever existed? In fact, the entire concept of NOTHING existing completely contradicts itself. There has ALWAYS been SOMETHING... just because it may not have been anything we can recognize today doesn't mean it was NOTHING.
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You can't say that. Current science posits this Big Bang - and the thinking
is that the universe began at the point. And what lies "outside" of the universe,
(essentially a silly question) is lay "before" the universe.
 
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PruePhillip

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ecco said:
Funny. I hear more Protestants than Catholics say: "Jesus is God"; "Jesus is Lord".

Isn't that something that you too believe?



ETA: It seems that you do a lot of picking and choosing.
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I could say "Jesus is Lord"
in fact, if He isn't then you are not serving Him as you should.

But Jesus is God only in the sense they are in unity. Jesus prayed to His father
that "they may be one" with them. We don't make a doctrine out of God, the
Son and eleven disciples. To love and obey God is to be one with Him.
 
LuisDantas

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
Trailblazer said:
If God could be proven to NOT exist, I think it would be catastrophic for believers who love God and depend upon Him for stuff. Does that make more sense now?
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Sort of. But in a way it strongly hints that God is indeed non-existent, or at least quite distant from the conceptions that sustain those people you speak of.

I do not see how it would be excessive to expect a true, loving, all-powerful God to inspire, if not teach outright, a bit more of resilience than the scenario that you describe implies.
 
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PruePhillip

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LuisDantas said:
Sort of. But in a way it strongly hints that God is indeed non-existent, or at least quite distant from the conceptions that sustain those people you speak of.

I do not see how it would be excessive to expect a true, loving, all-powerful God to inspire, if not teach outright, a bit more of resilience than the scenario that you describe implies.
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If there's no God then the universe appeared by magic, and for no reason at all.
Science teaches us there is no magic because there is a reason for everything
which exists or happens.
It's going to put people in a confusing situation.
 
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JJ50

Well-Known Member
PruePhillip said:
If there's no God then the universe appeared by magic, and for no reason at all.
Science teaches us there is no magic because there is a reason for everything
which exists or happens.
It's going to put people in a confusing situation.
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I reckon there is probably a much better explanation than the less than credible god character in the Bible, science may come up with it one day.
 
9-10ths_Penguin

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
Trailblazer said:
No, there is no way we could ever prove God does not exist because we can always say He is hiding, which He is very good at. :D
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Yes, that's very creative: when the evidence is entirely consistent with God not existing at all, invent a scenario where God might exist despite an utter lack of evidence.

It kinda throws your revealed religion out the window, but that's your business.

... but my point was that there are lots of people who say that they believe in God but can't answer the question "what do you mean by 'God?'" coherently enough that we could even go looking for the God thet believe in.

Their god-concepts are so vague or contradictory that we can't even ask whether those concepts are true or false. They're worse than wrong.
 
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PruePhillip

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JJ50 said:
I reckon there is probably a much better explanation than the less than credible god character in the Bible, science may come up with it one day.
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So you have "faith" that science will have the answers to our being?
Science is good for figuring out the mechanisms of the universe, but
it cannot, by definition, figure out how the first mechanism came to
be, or even, why it suddenly appeared.
 
LuisDantas

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
PruePhillip said:
If there's no God then the universe appeared by magic, and for no reason at all.
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Or existence just is. Which, as it happens, we know it to. Whether it had a "proper' origin is highly speculative and perhaps more indicative of human nature than of that of existence itself.

Besides, inserting a hypothetical God in the matter is just creating a name and calling it an explanation. Unless you happen to have some sort of explanation for the origin of that God that somehow avoids the imponderables of the existence of existence itself.

Science teaches us there is no magic because there is a reason for everything
which exists or happens.
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No, it actually doesn't. Why do you think that it does?

It's going to put people in a confusing situation.
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Who or what is going to do that?
 
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