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The cover-up is worse than the crime

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
Thinking about the stonewalling etc that Trump is doing now to prevent facts from being uncovered and testimony given, I'm reminded some something I've seen over and over again: "The cover-up is worse than the crime".

An internet search will find many different examples of this from Watergate through financial misdeeds and other situations.

For example, if Nixon had not tried to cover up Watergate but had admitted that some underlings had done wrong, he most likely would never have been impeached. The cover-up was in his case what took him down.

If the Catholic church had not covered up sexual abuse by priests but taken action, the world-wide furor would never have happened.

The examples are endless.

Now Trump is following in those sordid footsteps which of course increases the assumption that he has something very serious he's trying to hide and thus increasing the number of people who support the impeachment investigation.

And presumably there will be a number of "obstruction of justice" counts as well.
 
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sooda

Veteran Member
Thinking about the stonewalling etc that Trump is doing now to prevent fats from being uncovered and testimony given, I'm reminded some something I've seen over and over again: "The cover-up is worse than the crime".

An internet search will find many different examples of this from Watergate through financial misdeeds and other situations.

For example, if Nixon had not tried to cover up Watergate but had admitted that some underlings had done wrong, he most likely would never have been impeached. The cover-up was in his case what took him down.

If the Catholic church had not covered up sexual abuse by priests but taken action, the world-wide furor would never have happened.

The examples are endless.

Now Trump is following in those sordid footsteps which of course increases the assumption that he has something very serious he's trying to hide and thus increasing the number of people who support the impeachment investigation.

And presumably there will be a number of "obstruction of justice" counts as well.

Trump doesn't think he's done anything wrong.. He's not very bright ... He's been a liar and a cheat his whole life.. without consequences and he sure isn't going to wake up or change at 73.
 

Ouroboros

Coincidentia oppositorum
Trump doesn't think he's done anything wrong.. He's not very bright ... He's been a liar and a cheat his whole life.. without consequences and he sure isn't going to wake up or change at 73.
Yeah. The sad part is that Trump doesn't know right from wrong. That's why he gets into these situations. He doesn't get it. And this is how he's run his business.
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
I don't know what you guys are talking about. I find Trump to be a highly ethical and honest man.*


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*I crack me up.
 

tigrers2019

Member
I think that Trump does know that he is doing wrong, it's just that he doesn't care. It even shows in his face.
He knows that the Russians have infiltrated far enough into our government that the threats from the Democratic House are nothing but a bunch of sheets of paper that will find their way to the trash can.

The Democratic House must start getting physical with these foreign thugs because they only respect carnal means. This would require Federal Marshals sent out to bring these subpoena dodging individuals in for questioning.

If the DH does not take this step then the only other just might be a limited warfare engagement. That will make most US citizens turn their attention to what is going on in the swamp. Sorry Gator fans. You know Washington DC is the subject.
 

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
I'll bet that this law features in the impeachment:

A State Department lawyer told Vox that Secretary of State Mike Pompeo or Trump don’t have the right to stop Sondland from testifying. That makes sense, as a 1912 federal law stipulates “[t]he right of employees, individually or collectively, to petition Congress or a Member of Congress, or to furnish information to either House of Congress, or to a committee or Member thereof, may not be interfered with or denied.”

https://www.justsecurity.org/66433/know-your-rights-conversations-with-congress/ for details
 

Stanyon

WWMRD?
He wants to force them to vote as he should because once they vote then they too are open for investigation, cross examination, etc. Those who support impeachment seem to want to avoid this which should tell one a little something about all of this. I said it when this all began and I still stick to it, I think when all is said and done and all the facts are out that this will be a disaster for the Democrats. I see this as just political maneuvering ahead of 2020 as they know they have no real strong front runner and I guarantee they are keeping a close eye on the many polls that are purportedly showing public opinion on a day to day basis. All this before all the facts are in.
We shall see how it all plays out.
 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
He wants to force them to vote as he should because once they vote then they too are open for investigation, cross examination, etc. Those who support impeachment seem to want to avoid this which should tell one a little something about all of this. I said it when this all began and I still stick to it, I think when all is said and done and all the facts are out that this will be a disaster for the Democrats. I see this as just political maneuvering ahead of 2020 as they know they have no real strong front runner and I guarantee they are keeping a close eye on the many polls that are purportedly showing public opinion on a day to day basis. All this before all the facts are in.
We shall see how it all plays out.
Um, the impeachment inquiry is just that - the process of gathering the relevant facts. Facts that the White House apparently refuses to share, given that silly letter written to the House of Representatives stating that they will not co-operate with the inquiry. Which is just more obstruction on the President's part. Obstruction seems to be his thing.
 
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