Are Creationists the Great Pretenders?

SkepticThinker · Oct 9, 2019

dad said:
Nope. None. Ever.

tas8831 · Oct 9, 2019

dad said:
New Testament.

Oh, those people that wrote stories and copied one another many years after the fact... right... OK...

So Jesus is not God?

tas8831 · Oct 9, 2019

dad said:
Nope. None. Ever.

Yup. Lots. Always.

White Supremacists are Christians.

dad · Oct 9, 2019

tas8831 said:
Oh, those people that wrote stories and copied one another many years after the fact... right... OK...

So Jesus is not God?

And it works today. there is power and life in the words.

dad · Oct 9, 2019

tas8831 said:
Yup. Lots. Always.

White Supremacists are Christians.

No. Not one.

SkepticThinker · Oct 9, 2019

dad said:
No. Not one.

Are Creationists the Great Pretenders?

Yes.

Thank you for making it so obvious.

dad · Oct 9, 2019

SkepticThinker said:
Are Creationists the Great Pretenders?

Yes.

Thank you for making it so obvious.

Jesus told no one to kill folks. Really. Pretend all you like, we have the new testament that says otherwise.

Subduction Zone · Oct 9, 2019

dad said:
If Jesus never asked them to kill folks, and commanded them to help the poor and heal and love and share the good news with the people, then obviously they were not following Him. You see we were not told to kill as many innocents as possible to become martyrs and enter heaven.

Your theism appears to be a bit fuzzy. I thought that you believed that Jesus was God and created the world etc.. Perhaps I was wrong and you only believe that Jesus was "some guy".

dad · Oct 9, 2019

Subduction Zone said:
Your theism appears to be a bit fuzzy. I thought that you believed that Jesus was God and created the world etc.. Perhaps I was wrong and you only believe that Jesus was "some guy".

The issue here is a question regarding whether Jesus killed anyone or told us to. That would be the Jesus born in Bethlehem and the Jesus in the New Testament whose words and Personality we have recorded there.

Subduction Zone · Oct 9, 2019

dad said:
The issue here is a question regarding whether Jesus killed anyone or told us to. That would be the Jesus born in Bethlehem and the Jesus in the New Testament whose words and Personality we have recorded there.

No, if you have the above mentioned beliefs about Jesus then he is not just "Jesus in the New Testament". He does not get a pass on his past bad actions because he had a rough weekend.

dad · Oct 9, 2019

Subduction Zone said:
No, if you have the above mentioned beliefs about Jesus then he is not just "Jesus in the New Testament". He does not get a pass on his past bad actions because he had a rough weekend.

To know what He is like and comprehend His nature in the future or old testament times with Israel, we need to know the Man, and what He is like. Jesus came to take care of that. Now if anyone wants to accuse Jesus of murder or telling us to kill anyone show the quotes. How about any of His followers like Peter, Paul, etc etc?

Subduction Zone · Oct 9, 2019

dad said:
To know what He is like and comprehend His nature in the future or old testament times with Israel, we need to know the Man, and what He is like. Jesus came to take care of that. Now if anyone wants to accuse Jesus of murder or telling us to kill anyone show the quotes. How about any of His followers like Peter, Paul, etc etc?

Now it appears that your tune is changing. Once again your theology is inconsistent. A sure sign that it is in error.

dad · Oct 9, 2019

Subduction Zone said:
Now it appears that your tune is changing. Once again your theology is inconsistent. A sure sign that it is in error.

Nothing is changing. A sure sign you are wrong.

Subduction Zone · Oct 9, 2019

dad said:
Nothing is changing. A sure sign you are wrong.

Sure it is. You tried to claim that Jesus never ordered any killings and then I you ran away when I asked you if Jesus was God.

You are the marathon man of running away when you contradict yourself.

ecco · Oct 10, 2019

ecco said:
Conclusion: Jesus is/was not moral.

dad said:
Your morals without Him are not moral.

His morals endorse rape. My morals do not endorse rape.
His morals endorse genocide. My morals do not endorse genocide.

My morals are far superior by any standards. Stop being so blind.

dad said:
Nor does your morality, so called save anyone.

His morality killed almost all human beings. His morality killed almost all animals.

My morals are far superior by any standards. Stop being so blind.

ecco · Oct 10, 2019

dad said:
Whether He had to cull wicked men in days of old or the future was not the issue

CULL:

select from a large quantity; obtain from a variety of sources.

Your Jesus/God/Holy Ghost horrifically killed 99.9+% of humans and, in defense, you use the term cull.

You really need to think about the horrors you have come to accept and make excuses for.

dad said:
. The issue was whether Jesus somehow ordered us to kill folks. The answer is no.

So you are saying that Jesus is not God and God is not Jesus. We seem to be going in circles.

dad said:
You see, unlike some other religions, Christian martyrs are not terrorists, they were killed BY terrorists.

Let's stay on topic. Your Jesus/God committed genocide and endorsed rape.

ecco · Oct 10, 2019

dad said:
Because His words were recorded six ways from Sunday.

You have no way of knowing that anything recorded is anything that Jesus did or did not say. The authors of the Gospels were not first-hand eyewitnesses.

dad · Oct 10, 2019

ecco said:
His morals endorse rape. My morals do not endorse rape.
His morals endorse genocide. My morals do not endorse genocide.

My morals are far superior by any standards. Stop being so blind.

His morality killed almost all human beings. His morality killed almost all animals.

My morals are far superior by any standards. Stop being so blind.

Says you

ecco · Oct 10, 2019

dad said:
Pretend all you like, we have the new testament that says otherwise.

You conveniently ignore the OT when it is in your own interest. That's very dishonest of you. Is that a Christian thing - dishonesty as a defense mechanism?

dad · Oct 10, 2019

ecco said:
CULL:

select from a large quantity; obtain from a variety of sources.

Your Jesus/God/Holy Ghost horrifically killed 99.9+% of humans and, in defense, you use the term cull.

You really need to think about the horrors you have come to accept and make excuses for.

So you are saying that Jesus is not God and God is not Jesus. We seem to be going in circles.

Let's stay on topic. Your Jesus/God committed genocide and endorsed rape.

You see, the horror would be to make man without a plan for salvation. The horror would be to have allowed wickedness to triumph and result in the perdition of man. Instead, He guided a people through history, so that Salvation could come. If that plan were allowed to have been foiled by the rampant wickedness of men, that would be the horror. Instead, He came down Personally to suffer horribly for us, and show His real love and plan. Your idea of morals frankly can take a hike.

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