metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
So, just let the Kurds, our allies who have substantially helped us, just be slaughtered?
Gee, with "friends" like that who needs enemies?
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Turkey Invades Syria
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Gee, with "friends" like that who needs enemies?
sooda
Veteran Member
Diplomats, historians, oilmen and Arabs and MOST Europeans knew the invasion of Iraq was a huge stupid lie.
Salvador
RF's Swedenborgian
The Syrian Kurds have military weapons, training and combat experience. Please let's agree the time has come for them to bravely fight their own battles without the risk of American soldiers getting harmed or killed. America's best own self-interest is to stop being involved with endless wars in Godforsaken crap-hole places.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Exactly, especially since our intelligence indicated, and correctly at that, that BenLaden was holed up in Afghanistan. But Cheney and some of his advisers believed that if we could take over Iraq and helped to create a Jeffersonian democracy that this would change the dynamics of the entire region and put Iran in check. Instead, it did exactly just the opposite.
Now Trump's decision is basically telling our allies that they cannot rely on America or American promises, so this is not going to just be an one-and-out blunder in all likelihood.
Stanyon
WWMRD?
Why did you even post that garbage opinion piece?
Donald Trump, with divine wisdom, composes a tweet for Turkeyland
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
You simply have no clue what you're talking about or dealing with. In no way would the Kurds be able to fight off the much more powerful enemy that is Turkey, and the fact that you are so willing to let this play out with all that's at stake is really quite "telling".
There will be hell to pay for this incompetent decision as Trump has elevated his campaign promise over the hundreds of thousands of Kurds that have helped us and relied upon us like we did them. And even many of the Republicans are calling this move unethical and incompetent.
Stanyon
WWMRD?
You are old enough to know the U.S. has done this on a regular basis for decades, just insert relevant group where (Kurds) are.
The way I see it the U.S. and Western European powers wanted a war with Syria (Russia by proxy) for years, now we are getting it with other peoples bodies.
Salvador
RF's Swedenborgian
The Kurds are natural enemies with the Turks. Please let's agree there's no need for America to recklessly interject our military into this endless conflict.
Yeah right. The stupid belief that having a rifle will stop tanks because guns are holy and grant miracles of firepower to the possessors.
We had stopped the conflict and brought peace. Trump wanted to give a despot something and did because Trump loves despots and dictators of all stripes.
Sure, let's give them military airplanes, tanks and so forth. They need heavy weapons to oppose heavy weapons.
You know, I have a hard time enough time coping with the knowledge that I live and interact with people who voted in Bolsonaro.
But that must pale in comparison to knowing that someone who voted for deliberate, quite evitable bloodshed.
Word has it that there was quite a lot of conturbation for that very reason back in the 1960s and 1970s due to Vietnam.
And that justifies the refusal to at least negotiate a warning and a timetable... how?
Salvador
RF's Swedenborgian
There is no need for Kurds to favor fighting ISIS over their many other enemies in the region either, pal.
And as of now, that is more true than ever. Trump may have just enabled the rebirth of Daesh.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
It's not being "reckless"-- it's being ignorant.
I have long argued against "endless conflicts". During the Vietnam conflict, my wife and I had tentative plans to move to Canada , and this was not based on cowardice but on morals. I was opposed to our invasion of Iraq for similar reasons. I was opposed to Obama's heavy use of drones that killed so many civilians.
But there is a point whereas one needs to draw a line and say "I can't go that far", especially when so many human lives are at stake. To put Trump's campaign promise as somehow being more moral than what could be thousands of lives lost is simply repugnant.
sooda
Veteran Member
A couple of reasons that I can see,
Bibi wanted Saddam taken out..
He had Clean Break Strategy drawn up in 1996. The PNAC was based on Clean Break Strategy. Dual citizens and Neocons wanted Saddam taken out,,
and Cheney, who didn't know anything about the oil business , had lobbied for Halliburton for a couple of years.
His job was to convince the US to lift sanctions on Iran, Iraq, Libya and the Stans.. He failed at that.
Perfect Storm?? Who knows.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
You'll get no argument from me.
Also, it does not even serve the interests of anyone in America. Not even his own, as he will soon learn.
Trump Just Gave Turkey an Open Invitation to Slaughter the Syrian Kurds
Not sure what will come of this, although I think the world will be watching this very closely for any missteps by Turkey.
I've often wondered why US policy has been so deferent to Turkey. This isn't the first time either.
We stood by as Turkey invaded Cyprus back in the 70s, abandoning our Greek allies.
US officials have also routinely downplayed the Armenian genocide largely to avoid offending the Turkish government.
And then there are the Kurds in Iraq, who have been wanting to form an independent state, yet keep getting blocked. The Turkish don't want the Kurds to have an independent state anywhere, and the US has acceded to this.
A larger concern might be if Syrian forces clash with Turkish forces and what Russia's response might be. Russia and Turkey are ancient enemies. The Russians have been wanting to liberate Constantinople for centuries.