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The 144.000 Jews.

sooda

sooda

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Faithofchristian said:
You do know that Revelation 6:14-16 has nothing at all to do with Jesus Christ.

However Jesus Christ can not return until the last Prophecy happens first.

Jesus Christ given in his book of Revelation the last Prophecy, that when this last prophecy happens the tribulation is over and then Christ Jesus returns.

So what good is the rapture going to do. That when the last Prophecy happens brings the end to the tribulation and the return of Jesus Christ.

Jesus Christ can not return until the last Prophecy that Jesus Christ given happens first in his book of Revelation.
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In Revelation it says: I, John, your brother in tribulation,,,,,
 
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Faithofchristian

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nPeace said:
What is the last prophecy?
So you are saying that Jesus Christ is not coming, as described at 2 Thessalonians 1:6-10, and Matthew 25:31-46?
The disciples did ask this... "Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?" Matthew 24:3

All of Revelation is prophecy.
So there are some prophecies in the book of Revelation that will be fulfilled after Christ's coming.
For example...
The resurrection cannot take place before Jesus coming, and that's just one. Agreed.
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Nope not all, Jesus Christ will fulfill those prophecy of Matthew 24, Mark 13,Luke 21.
And 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17.

But those can not take place until the last Prophecy happens first, which Jesus Christ given in his book of Revelation.
The last Prophecy is found in
Revelation 11, When the two witnesses of God's lay dead in the street in Jerusalem for 3 and half days.
Then God calls them up to heaven and then the 7th trumpet is sounded then Jesus Christ returns.

Jesus Christ can not return until this last prophecy happens first, which brings the end to the tribulation and the return of Jesus Christ.
 
sooda

sooda

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Faithofchristian said:
Nope not all, Jesus Christ will fulfill those prophecy of Matthew 24, Mark 13,Luke 21.
And 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17.

But those can not take place until the last Prophecy happens first, which Jesus Christ given in his book of Revelation.
The last Prophecy is found in
Revelation 11, When the two witnesses of God's lay dead in the street in Jerusalem for 3 and half days.
Then God calls them up to heaven and then the 7th trumpet is sounded then Jesus Christ returns.

Jesus Christ can not return until this last prophecy happens first, which brings the end to the tribulation and the return of Jesus Christ.
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Matthew, Mark, Luke and John were not prophets.
 
sooda

sooda

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Good-Ole-Rebel said:
Being in 'tribulation' and going thruogh 'the tribulation' is not the same thing.

Good-Ole-Rebel
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@ blü 2

I thought Jesus was talking thru John of Patmos..

Jesus told his followers to flee to the mountains when they saw the Abomination of Desolation as mentioned by Daniel.. They did.. They fled to Pella to avoid the tribulation which was local. It had to be local if the could avoided it by going to Pella.

Be wary of Scofield's heresy.. Its tripped up a lot of unsuspecting Christians.
 
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Faithofchristian

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sooda said:
Matthew, Mark, Luke and John were not prophets.
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Now that's amazing, how Jesus Christ chosen them, but yet you denounce them

You know it's written in Prophecy about people like yourself that would come that would speak against those who Jesus Christ elected to his prophets.
And to think Prophecy that was written about 2000 years ago, is now coming to its fulfillment.
 
sooda

sooda

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Faithofchristian said:
Now that's amazing, how Jesus Christ chosen them, but yet you denounce them

You know it's written in Prophecy about people like yourself that would come that would speak against those who Jesus Christ elected to his prophets.
And to think Prophecy that was written about 2000 years ago, is now coming to its fulfillment.
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Oh stop. ..Why do you think they were prophets?
 
sooda

sooda

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Faithofchristian said:
There's two tribulations
The tribulation of the AntiChrist
And the tribulation of Jesus Christ himself

Its all there within the book of Revelation.
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There is only one tribulation, Israel is the harlot, the whore of Babylon... The Roman Emperor is the Beast ... the AntiChrist is someone who left the church. The Antichrist is announced as the one "who denies the Father and the Son."

The concept of the Antichrist is absent in Judaism.

The little horn is often identified as Antiochus IV .
 
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Faithofchristian

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sooda said:
There is only one tribulation, Israel is the harlot, the whore of Babylon... The Roman Emperor is the Beast ... the AntiChrist is someone who left the church. The Antichrist is announced as the one "who denies the Father and the Son."

The concept of the Antichrist is absent in Judaism.

The little horn is often identified as Antiochus IV .
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I guess you will have to believe whatever you want. There's two tribulations seeing that you can't accept it.

But if you believe that Matthew, Mark.Luke and John are not Prophets. Why is it that your found in quoting what you don't believe in.
 
Good-Ole-Rebel

Good-Ole-Rebel

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sooda said:
@ blü 2

I thought Jesus was talking thru John of Patmos..

Jesus told his followers to flee to the mountains when they saw the Abomination of Desolation as mentioned by Daniel.. They did.. They fled to Pella to avoid the tribulation which was local. It had to be local if the could avoided it by going to Pella.

Be wary of Scofield's heresy.. Its tripped up a lot of unsuspecting Christians.
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What do you base this on? Where in the Bible?

Though we have different views of the Second Coming of Christ, I wouldn't call yours 'heresy'. I believe Scofield was sound in his doctrine. And, I am very wary.

Good-Ole-Rebel
 
sooda

sooda

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Good-Ole-Rebel said:
What do you base this on? Where in the Bible?

Though we have different views of the Second Coming of Christ, I wouldn't call yours 'heresy'. I believe Scofield was sound in his doctrine. And, I am very wary.

Good-Ole-Rebel
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Jesus warned the early Christians that when they saw the abomination of desolation, that they should flee ... Matthew 24:16 ...'Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains.'.

This prophecy from Christ was fulfilled in AD70 when Jerusalem was destroyed by the Roman army, and those Christians who heeded the warning when the Roman army first surrounded the city in AD66 before withdrawing, fled and were saved.

Also Luke 21:21
 
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Faithofchristian

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Good-Ole-Rebel said:
What do you base this on? Where in the Bible?

Though we have different views of the Second Coming of Christ, I wouldn't call yours 'heresy'. I believe Scofield was sound in his doctrine. And, I am very wary.

Good-Ole-Rebel
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If I may say, many people seem not to understand that of Matthew 24 is all about the future..not pass tents, But future tents which is still future from us.
 
sooda

sooda

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Good-Ole-Rebel said:
What do you base this on? Where in the Bible?

Though we have different views of the Second Coming of Christ, I wouldn't call yours 'heresy'. I believe Scofield was sound in his doctrine. And, I am very wary.

Good-Ole-Rebel
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Scofield is bad theology.. and it was a political strategy to promote Christian Zionism.
 
Muffled

Muffled

Jesus in me
calm said:
The 144,000 Jews that the Bible mentions (Revelation 7:4-7) are the only ones who will go to heaven and reign with God. Interestingly, these 144,000 Jews are all virgins. For it is written:

Revelation 14:1
1 Then I looked, and behold, on Mount Zion stood the Lamb, and with him 144,000 who had his name and his Father’s name written on their foreheads.
3 and they were singing a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and before the elders. No one could learn that song except the 144,000 who had been redeemed from the earth.
4 It is these who have not defiled themselves with women, for they are virgins. It is these who follow the Lamb wherever he goes. These have been redeemed from mankind as firstfruits for God and the Lamb,
5 and in their mouth no lie was found, for they are blameless.

That would mean that even people like Abraham, Isaac and Jacob do not belong to these 144,000 people. And that surprises me very much, for who are these people and why are they so special that they even stand above these 3 fathers?

Are these maybe the "lost sheep" Jesus once mentioned?

“I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”
Matthew 15:24

What do you think?
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I believe it is possible that they are monks.

I believe that is presumptive and lacks evidence.

I believe I used to think this would be the only Jews saved but now I see that many Jews could be in the multitude that comes later. This group is special because they are a first fruit and rescued out of a terrible time of tribulation for Israel.
 
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