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Is it Possible to Prove Being the Messiah?

rosends

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And that you don't get regardless if you believe it, I'm an archangel sent from Heaven with the New name of the Messiah; who has been told since birth certain events will happen in my life time, I'd like to educate people to comprehend them before their possible destruction...
OK...check please. In addition to your inventions and lack of comprehension regarding understanding proper nouns, common nouns, languages, religions, history and such, you claim to be an archangel. I say "good luck with that."
 

wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
you claim to be an archangel.
Judaism refers to Sandalphon as an archangel, who acts as a Pillar/Conduit/Messenger between Heaven and Earth for the Source.

Revelation 3:12 He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar (Sandalphon) in the temple of my God, and he will go out from there no more. I will write on him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God (Zion - Psalms 146:10, Psalms 147:12, Isaiah 52:7), the new Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from my God, and my own new name (Sananda).
languages
We keep discussing elements of how the language is the bit confusing Rabbinic Judaism; for example how El (Source) is not like the Elohim (Divine Beings - Isaiah 46:9), Yah יה being a two letter word meaning Lord (Psalms 89:8), Yeshua our Divine Being in Isaiah 52:10, etc...

Much of this is fixable, and currently what is prophesied is many will be removed from reality, simply for being stupid - personally find that a bit extreme...

Now fair enough I get I don't speak like an academic, and am far from what is expected of a university professor boffin for a Messiah...

Yet if you tried to understand, rather than try to dismantle everything wrong, it might make more sense.

In my opinion. :innocent:
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
Judaism refers to Sandalphon as an archangel, who acts as a Pillar/Conduit/Messenger between Heaven and Earth for the Source.

Revelation 3:12 He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar (Sandalphon) in the temple of my God, and he will go out from there no more. I will write on him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God (Zion - Psalms 146:10, Psalms 147:12, Isaiah 52:7), the new Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from my God, and my own new name (Sananda).

We keep discussing elements of how the language is the bit confusing Rabbinic Judaism; for example how El (Source) is not like the Elohim (Divine Beings - Isaiah 46:9), Yah יה being a two letter word meaning Lord (Psalms 89:8), Yeshua our Divine Being in Isaiah 52:10, etc...

Much of this is fixable, and currently what is prophesied is many will be removed from reality, simply for being stupid - personally find that a bit extreme...

Now fair enough I get I don't speak like an academic, and am far from what is expected of a university professor boffin for a Messiah...

Yet if you tried to understand, rather than try to dismantle everything wrong, it might make more sense.

In my opinion. :innocent:
Unfortunately, Your explanations in this thread actually make it difficult to understand anything you speak about when it comes to who you truly are.

So far i think you mention
Messiah
Arcangel
Yeshua

Who are you?
 

wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
Who are you?
One of the sons of Brahma at the beginning of creation was called Sanananda; the New Name of Christ according to theosophy is Sananda, and I'm Zanda.

From childhood remembered being an Avatar, and one of the Divine Council; then also had a NDE to confirm somethings.

Yeshua was an Elohim (Divine Being/Archangel) as it says in Isaiah 52:10; in Isaiah 52:7 it says our King Archangel Zion.

There are prophecies stating 'out of Zion shall go my laws' (Isaiah 2:3), 'from Zion the Lord will speak' (Isaiah 24:23), 'I've chosen Zion as my habitation' (Psalms 132:13), etc.

In Heaven there are 24 Elders Surrounding the Source in many religions; these are all aspects, and parts of the whole of Oneness; so Buddha (Discernment) is One with Lao Tzu (Ancient Master), is One with Yeshua (Salvation), is One with Zanda (Exegesis)...

We're all individual aspects of the One consciousness working for the greater enlightenment of the whole i.e. 0neness.

The Zand Avesta is an Exegesis on the Avesta, and Ahura Mazda means Lord of Wisdom in Zoroastrian text; so I'm like a Bringer of Truth (Saoshyant) before Frashokereti.

Revelation 3:12 He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar (Sandalphon) in the temple of my God, and he will go out from there no more. I will write on him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God (Zion - Psalms 146:10, Psalms 147:12, Isaiah 52:7), the new Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from my God, and my own new name (Sananda).

This verse shows a start to the cross referencing of the names in different religions around the world; my shortened name is Zan, which is also a shortened version of Zeus.

Biblically I'm the return of David & Yeshua & now Zion... The Source of reality is El Elyon, God Most High.

In my understanding all Bodhisattva come from the Source... So I'm like an operative for the Source to interact with mankind & unite the religions as One.

In my opinion. :innocent:
 
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Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
One of the sons of Brahma at the beginning of creation was called Sanananda; the New Name of Christ according to theosophy is Sananda, and I'm Zanda.

From childhood remembered being an Avatar, and one of the Divine Council; then also had a NDE to confirm somethings.

Yeshua was an Elohim (Divine Being/Archangel) as it says in Isaiah 52:10; in Isaiah 52:7 it says our King Archangel Zion.

There are prophecies stating 'out of Zion shall go my laws' (Isaiah 2:3), 'from Zion the Lord will speak' (Isaiah 24:23), 'I've chosen Zion as my habitation' (Psalms 132:13), etc.

In Heaven there are 24 Elders Surrounding the Source in many religions; these are all aspects, and parts of the whole of Oneness; so Buddha (Discernment) is One with Lao Tzu (Ancient Master), is One with Yeshua (Salvation), is One with Zanda (Exegesis)...

We're all individual aspects of the One consciousness working for the greater enlightenment of the whole i.e. 0neness.

The Zand Avesta is an Exegesis on the Avesta, and Ahura Mazda means Lord of Wisdom in Zoroastrian text; so I'm like a Bringer of Truth (Saoshyant) before Frashokereti.

Revelation 3:12 He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar (Sandalphon) in the temple of my God, and he will go out from there no more. I will write on him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God (Zion - Psalms 146:10, Psalms 147:12, Isaiah 52:7), the new Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from my God, and my own new name (Sananda).

This verse shows a start to the cross referencing of the names in different religions around the world; my shortened name is Zan, which is also a shortened version of Zeus.

Biblically I'm the return of David & Yeshua & now Zion... The Source of reality is El Elyon, God Most High.

In my understanding all Bodhisattva come from the Source... So I'm like an operative for the Source to interact with mankind.

In my opinion. :innocent:
To become a Bodhisattva you must cultivate within Mahayana Buddhism, and as far as i understand you have not done this. Second of all, you mixing teachings, something a true master would not do.

Do you say you are Christ now? You do know that you can not be both a Bodhisattva and Christ at the same time? Jesus Christ enlightens to Tathagata level of wisdom, the same as Buddha Sakyamuni. But the true Christ was not a Buddha, Christ has cultivated within Jewish cultivation( as far as i know)

If you cultivate one teaching at the time, I promise you that you will enlighten a lot faster then mixing every teaching.
 

wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
To become a Bodhisattva you must cultivate within Mahayana Buddhism
To be able to come back, we have to have ascended past the 8th dimension (infinity) at least; it isn't based on some religious understanding.
Second of all, you mixing teachings
Revelation 10:11 speaks of many nations, and languages; which means the Source of reality is One, and religion is divided by people not realizing the language boundaries.
Do you say you are Christ now?
The texts justify these ideas, otherwise me personally would have a hard time believing it.
Christ has cultivated within Jewish cultivation
Yeshua was sent from Heaven; humans generally don't turn around to clouds, and ask them to stop, where they listen, as the being asking understands the quantum physics.

Buddha on reaching enlightenment also made the bowl float upstream, as he had realized his divine potential.

Yeshua taught similar to Buddha in lots of places; Pharisaic Judaism hijacked his character, and made a religion around it.
If you cultivate one teaching at the time, I promise you that you will enlighten a lot faster then mixing every teaching.
There is only One Dharma, with lots of religious orthodoxy that blinds the way to it by dutiful observance; whilst lacking the real connection assurance.

In my opinion. :innocent:
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
To be able to come back, we have to have ascended past the 8th dimension (infinity) at least; it isn't based on some religious understanding.

Revelation 10:11 speaks of many nations, and languages; which means the Source of reality is One, and religion is divided by people not realizing the language boundaries.

The texts justify these ideas, otherwise me personally would have a hard time believing it.

Yeshua was sent from Heaven; humans generally don't turn around to clouds, and ask them to stop, where they listen, as the being asking understands the quantum physics.

Buddha on reaching enlightenment also made the bowl float upstream, as he had realized his divine potential.

Yeshua taught similar to Buddha in lots of places; Pharisaic Judaism hijacked his character, and made a religion around it.

There is only One Dharma, with lots of religious orthodoxy that blinds the way to it by dutiful observance; whilst lacking the real connection assurance.

In my opinion. :innocent:
Any God or Buddha can come back to the physical realm to teach again, but according to nature law (dharma) they must be born as a child and cultivate up to enlightenment within an already existing cultivation path. In the time we are now they would not be allowed to come from nowhere fully enlighten into this world, They must cultivate body and mind first to realize their teaching. Also Yeshua or Jesus had to cultivate mind and body before he enlightens to the teaching he was to give in his life.

Buddha Sakyamuni actually taught actually in a limited area himself(Lumbini and area around there, that time Nepal, now a part of India), and the dharma spread mostly after his passing, because of his followers memorized the teaching and went out into the world with his teachings.

A question that arises is. How can you be multiple people at the same time with different titles and different teachings?
 

wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
How can you be multiple people at the same time with different titles and different teachings?
In the Knights of the Round Table, each person is speaking to the middle; they all have a point of view, yet there is a central focus.

Religions are all different perspectives of the whole; when we understand the whole, it makes more sense...

Whereas when we are only looking at a part, the limitation of our view obscures us from seeing the whole.

Sorry that didn't answer the question on being different people, there are not different people, it is all the same one being in different forms.

In my opinion. :innocent:
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
In the Knights of the Round Table, each person is speaking to the middle; they all have a point of view, yet there is a central focus.

Religions are all different perspectives of the whole; when we understand the whole, it makes more sense...

Whereas when we are only looking at a part, the limitation of our view obscures us from seeing the whole.

Sorry that didn't answer the question on being different people, there are not different people, it is all the same one being in different forms.

In my opinion. :innocent:
Sorry but your answers no longer give a meaning.
As a Cultivating Buddhist one are still able to look at the total image of the existence, if one should gain more wisdom one must first enlighten in ONE cultivation path, then take a new path within a different cultivation path. only then one is able to gain even deeper wisdom.

But there is no wisdom to gather from this thread anymore, so i will end my answers with this message :)
 

blü 2

Veteran Member
Premium Member
This is an analogy.
Imagine a group of people got together who believed they were "true Romans"
they emigrated to Italy; established their Latin language and culture; adopted
their Roman gods and ancient Roman currency. Then they fought the Italians.
They took Rome itself. After attacks from the Spanish and French they swept
their Roman armies into those countries too.

Now Imagine (like Lennon) a people who believe they were ancient Babylonians.
A few of them seized Iraq and rebuilt Babylon (not that it will happen - the bible
says Babylon will never be built again) .... rah rah rah.

Peoples who have been deprived of their nation don't usually survive more than
five generations as a culture. For the Jew there was the added issue of millions
killed in persecution.

HERE IS A PREDICTION (not a prophecy - that's different)
I predict the persecution of Jews will increase enormously in years to come
throughout the Western world. In Ezekiel we are told that the Jews are back
in their homeland ("all of them") when they are invaded by various nations -
all of them named precisely, with the exception of Israel's only ally - a nation
not known to Ezekiel, just described as coming from the "islands" or "coast
lands."
The modern state of Israel owes its existence to the political connections of the Zionists against a background of longstanding Christian antisemitism.

As magic books go, the bible's a disaster. Social progress regarding slavery, divorce, equality for women including pro-choice, equality for LGBT and so on, have been achieved despite the bible, and too often in the face of large parts of Christianity.

And magic itself, biblical prophecy included, exists only in imagination.
 

wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
Sorry but your answers no longer give a meaning.
The thread is to decide if people just argue, and if humanity can ever question fully...

Sorry was pondering if to post the poem on here that goes along with the parable of the Knights of the round table; yet more inclined to post this poem, as can feel your posts before you do them, trying to look for an angle, rather than trying to understand the whole.
But there is no wisdom to gather from this thread anymore
There is always wisdom to be learned, especially in the most dire or undire circumstances.

In my opinion. :innocent:
 

PruePhillip

Well-Known Member
The modern state of Israel owes its existence to the political connections of the Zionists against a background of longstanding Christian antisemitism.

As magic books go, the bible's a disaster. Social progress regarding slavery, divorce, equality for women including pro-choice, equality for LGBT and so on, have been achieved despite the bible, and too often in the face of large parts of Christianity.

And magic itself, biblical prophecy included, exists only in imagination.

Okay, so you glossed over what I said
Let me state - I have two reasons why I believe in God
1 - for the arguments for God's existence
2 - the shoddy arguments of those who say there is no God.

Who cares what engine drove the Jews to lose their nation and return to it
2,000 years later. Fact is, the bible said this would happen, against all odds.

Secondly, the ultimate "magic" that atheists conjure is our whole universe
springing into existence, out of nothing and for no reason, and creating all
the wonders we see around us.
 

Desert Snake

Veteran Member
So think about it. In his book on the war of the Jews he gave HALF the book to
Herod's family. Half. If Jesus was the Christ to him - why didn't he give Jesus
half a book? No, the reference to Jesus feels contrived, slotted in by someone
else. Josephus loved history and wanted to show Rome his nation. Even
curiosity about this burgeoning movement called Christianity didn't prompt
this Pharisee to provide details.
However once one begins to read something that feels contrived, many things could be attributed to that. So, I'm quite reserved about saying something is contrived.


Should note that Josephus also calls Jesus, Jesus, and not Joshua. Regarding the theory that these references to Jesus are fake additions, that may or may not affect that.

[As a side note, concerning the name of Jesus, there was nothing preventing Josephus from writing Yehoshua, if that is what he believed the name to be.
 

PruePhillip

Well-Known Member
However once one begins to read something that feels contrived, many things could be attributed to that. So, I'm quite reserved about saying something is contrived.


Should note that Josephus also calls Jesus, Jesus, and not Joshua. Regarding the theory that these references to Jesus are fake additions, that may or may not affect that.

[As a side note, concerning the name of Jesus, there was nothing preventing Josephus from writing Yehoshua, if that is what he believed the name to be.

Interesting. Are you saying that Josephus has used the Anglo name for Yehoshua?
 

blü 2

Veteran Member
Premium Member
I have two reasons why I believe in God
1 - for the arguments for God's existence
Gods exist only as concepts in human mentation. They have no objective existence, they're not real. That's why neither you nor anyone else can tell me what real thing you intend to denote when you say 'God'. You can't tell me the test that will determine whether any real thing or being or phenomenon is God or not, You can't even tell me what 'godness' is, the real quality a real god would have and a real superscientist would lack. That's to say, the idea of a real god is incoherent.
2 - the shoddy arguments of those who say there is no God.
Obviously there are serious thousands of gods. It's just that none of them is real, has objective existence.
Who cares what engine drove the Jews to lose their nation and return to it
2,000 years later. Fact is, the bible said this would happen, against all odds.
It also says plants existed before the sun did. Very hit and miss, that book.
Secondly, the ultimate "magic" that atheists conjure is our whole universe
springing into existence, out of nothing and for no reason, and creating all the wonders we see around us.
I certainly make no claim in those terms. My most coherent guess is that mass-energy pre-existed the universe, that accordingly the contents of the Big Bang were mass-energy (or perhaps there were second or third &c ingredients, but Occam would have us keep it monist until there's evidence otherwise). It would follow that the universe and its contents are composed of forms of mass-energy and that the regularities of behavior and interaction we call the rules of physics are properties of mass-energy. On this view, time exists because mass-energy exists, not vice versa; hence there was no particular 'beginning'.
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Guess? Hypothesis? Indeed, but tenable since not so far inconsistent with observation. And free of magic.

Magic has many unsatisfying qualities. One is that it exists only in imagination. Another is that it explains nothing. When something is said to happen because God did it, our understanding is advanced not a scrap ─ to understand, we need to know how God did it. What process, exactly, was set in train, and how, and according to what demonstrable principles, to bring the EM spectrum into being when God said '[Let there be] light!'?

But before we got that far, we'd need a satisfactory definition of a real God so we knew what real thing we were talking about and looking for, and then we'd need to find God and satisfactorily demonstrate [his] existence in reality.

I won't hold my breath. But if you succeed, please let me know.
 

sooda

Veteran Member
Okay, so you glossed over what I said
Let me state - I have two reasons why I believe in God
1 - for the arguments for God's existence
2 - the shoddy arguments of those who say there is no God.

Who cares what engine drove the Jews to lose their nation and return to it
2,000 years later. Fact is, the bible said this would happen, against all odds.

Secondly, the ultimate "magic" that atheists conjure is our whole universe
springing into existence, out of nothing and for no reason, and creating all
the wonders we see around us.

Where does the Bible say all the Jews will return to Jerusalem/Israel/Judah?
 

PruePhillip

Well-Known Member
Where does the Bible say all the Jews will return to Jerusalem/Israel/Judah?

Look at Ezekiel 38 and 39
Ezekiel was a priest in exile in Babylon. He wrote what must have been fantastic to the
Jews - an account of their nation which was restored a second time. Second time? What
about the first time?

And here is Isaiah 11:11
On that day the Root of Jesse will stand as a banner for the peoples. The nations will seek
Him, and His place of rest will be glorious. On that day the Lord will extend His hand a second
time
to recover the remnant of His people from Assyria, from Egypt, from Pathros, from Cush,
from Elam, from Shinar, from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea. He will raise a banner
for the nations
and gather the exiles of Israel; He will collect the scattered of Judah from the four

corners of the earth.…

Root of Jesse - house of David, from which Jesus came
banner to the people - the standard of God
the nations - gentiles
a second time - written before the exile to Babylon, about a Roman exile - Rome didn't exist then
four corners of the earth - all the world, not just the Middle East


This is Jesus, and this is the coming of the Jews in our time.
 
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PruePhillip

Well-Known Member
It also says plants existed before the sun did. Very hit and miss, that book.
I won't hold my breath. But if you succeed, please let me know.

Just this one quickly - the account in Genesis 1 has been badly mangled
over time with oral traditions and translations. But again, the sequence
is discernible:

1 - God created the heavens
2 - and the earth
3 - and upon the earth it was dark and oceanic (cloud & ocean planet)
4 - the skies cleared
5 - the continents rose
6 - life appeared on land (as of 2018 it's agreed life emerged from fresh water)
7 - life appeared in the oceans.

How did the authors know this? Whats' the odds?
 

PruePhillip

Well-Known Member
My most coherent guess is that mass-energy pre-existed the universe, that accordingly the contents of the Big Bang were mass-energy (or perhaps there were second or third &c ingredients, but Occam would have us keep it monist until there's evidence otherwise). It would follow that the universe and its contents are composed of forms of mass-energy and that the regularities of behavior and interaction we call the rules of physics are properties of mass-energy. On this view, time exists because mass-energy exists, not vice versa; hence there was no particular 'beginning'.
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Guess? Hypothesis? Indeed, but tenable since not so far inconsistent with observation. And free of magic.

Magic has many unsatisfying qualities. One is that it exists only in imagination. Another is that it explains nothing. When something is said to happen because God did it, our understanding is advanced not a scrap ─ to understand, we need to know how God did it. What process, exactly, was set in train, and how, and according to what demonstrable principles, to bring the EM spectrum into being when God said '[Let there be] light!'?

But before we got that far, we'd need a satisfactory definition of a real God so we knew what real thing we were talking about and looking for, and then we'd need to find God and satisfactorily demonstrate [his] existence in reality.

I won't hold my breath. But if you succeed, please let me know.

How can something "pre-exist" the universe?
God, by definition, must lie outside of the universe of space, time, energy, physics etc..
Before the universe there was no mass, no time, no energy, no physics, not even numbers.
Science is good at finding the mechanisms for the natural world - but it cannot describe
how the universe came to be when there simply wasn't a mechanism.

Some say "I have faith that science will find the answer."
Sound familiar, "faith" ?

Some say the universe is eternal, but I see that as avoiding the question.
And then the same people will ask "Who made God" and are not satisfied with
the statement "God is eternal."
 

blü 2

Veteran Member
Premium Member
the account in Genesis 1 has been badly mangled
over time with oral traditions and translations.
Is there any evidence for that? If so, is there any evidence that the amendments were not improvements?
But again, the sequence is discernible:

1 - God created the heavens
2 - and the earth
It's the heavens and the earth, Jim, but not as we know them. I think I've mentioned biblical cosmology to you before ─ lacking all the concepts of the modern sky, eg satellites, planets, the sun as a star, stars, galaxies, colossal distances, the moon orbiting the earth, the earth orbiting the sun, nothing. Instead there was no sky till after the earth existed, Day 2, and it (the firmament) is a solid dome over the earth that you can walk on. Not till day 4 do we get (their concept of) the sun, moon and stars. They're attached to the firmament such that if they come loose they'll fall to earth.

The bible universe is geocentric. The earth is fixed immovably at the center of creation and the sun, moon and stars go round it. It's flat, envisaged either like a tabletop or like a plate (both views are found). There's water above it (there being no concept of the hydrological cycle) and water below it.

The biblical references that set this out run right through the bible, just as you'd expect for the times and places its books were written. If you'd like to check them out (again), they're >here<.
3 - and upon the earth it was dark and oceanic (cloud & ocean planet)
4 - the skies cleared
5 - the continents rose
No, the waters receded (Day 3). The writers had no concept of tectonics. (Neither did anyone else till last century.) Presumably they receded in the same way the waters after the Flood receded, by flowing over the edges of the earth and falling to the waters below the earth.
6 - life appeared on land (as of 2018 it's agreed life emerged from fresh water)
No. In the bible the first life appears on Day 3, with fruiting plants on the dry land. This is a good trick because the temperature would only be a smidge above zero degrees Kelvin, since the sun doesn't exist till Day 4.
7 - life appeared in the oceans.
That's Day 5, at the same time as we have birds before there are land animals. And as I mentioned, that was only ocean life ─ life already existed on the dry land.
How did the authors know this? Whats' the odds?
They simply followed the beliefs of their day. They drew conclusions from what they could see. And they got it very wrong, but you can see what the storytellers was trying to get across.


Incidentally, the story of the Creation is so clearly set out and simple to read that your post is rather astonishing. The text says what you'd expect people from that day and age to say. It neither has nor pretends to have anything of the modern science that you seem to be wishing on it. Why would you want it to do that anyway?
 
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