Is it Possible to Prove Being the Messiah?

wizanda · Oct 5, 2019

We have numerous religious textual references, and ideas to backup the idea of who is the Messiah; yet as we see with Yeshua's fulfilment of prophecy, some people will go against it through a lack of study...

So is it ever really possible to actually prove it for sure using careful exegesis or are people to argumentative to really listen?

In my opinion.

JJ50 · Oct 5, 2019

I don't think that guy Jesus was anymore of a Messiah than I am. He seemed to be a very human guy with faults and failings like the rest of us.

wizanda · Oct 5, 2019

JJ50 said:
I don't think that guy Jesus was anymore of a Messiah than I am. He seemed to be a very human guy with faults and failings like the rest of us.

The Messiah is human, he is from the line of David, in other words a Son of Man.... Yeshua in the Synoptic Gospels calls himself a Son of Man, others called him a Son of God.

A Messiah is a king of Israel who is anointed with the Holy Oil, and then speaks as God's ambassador.

The idea the Messiah is superman isn't ever documented, it is whimsical thinking by us.... God does the miracles, and appoints the Messiah to rule.

In my opinion.

JJ50 · Oct 5, 2019

wizanda said:
The Messiah is human, he is from the line of David, in other words a Son of Man.... Yeshua in the Synoptic Gospels calls himself a Son of Man, others called him a Son of God.

A Messiah is a king of Israel who is anointed with the Holy Oil, and then speaks as God's ambassador.

The idea the Messiah is superman isn't ever documented, it is whimsical thinking by us.... God does the miracles, and appoints the Messiah to rule.

In my opinion.

There is no evidence the idea of a messiah is any more than a figment of the overactive human imagination.

Moz · Oct 5, 2019

JJ50 said:
There is no evidence the idea of a messiah is any more than a figment of the overactive human imagination.

Is there a shallow comment of the year award or something on these forums?
Where do i vote for you, you really seem to want the title.

JJ50 · Oct 5, 2019

Moz said:
Is there a shallow comment of the year award or something on these forums?
Where do i vote for you, you really seem to want the title.

You cannot prove that I am wrong.

ChristineM · Oct 5, 2019

wizanda said:
yet as we see with Yeshua's fulfilment of prophecy

It is said that Jesus did not fulfill many of the messianic prophecies.

wizanda · Oct 5, 2019

ChristineM said:
It is said that Jesus did not fulfill many of the messianic prophecies.

There is no evidence Yeshua fulfilled prophecy according to the Rabbinic Jews, who according to prophecy in Zechariah 12:4, Deuteronomy 28:28-29 have been blinded to understanding it, as they're so argumentative.

There are tons of prophecies Yeshua fulfilled to the letter Zechariah 11, Isaiah 52:10-15 - Isaiah 53, Daniel 9:26, Isaiah 5, Isaiah 8, etc...

It is just bad comprehension by some, where with enough study it can all be explained logically based on the texts.

We should take into account the Messiah comes before the destruction of the 2nd temple (Daniel 9:26, Zechariah 11), and the 2nd coming is before Armageddon (Revelation 16:15-16) not to bring world peace.

In my opinion.

Spirit of Light · Oct 5, 2019

wizanda said:
We have numerous religious textual references, and ideas to backup the idea of who is the Messiah; yet as we see with Yeshua's fulfilment of prophecy, some people will go against it through a lack of study...

So is it ever really possible to actually prove it for sure using careful exegesis or are people to argumentative to really listen?

In my opinion.

Who in your understanding is Messiah?

ChristineM · Oct 5, 2019

wizanda said:
There is no evidence Yeshua fulfilled prophecy according to the Rabbinic Jews, who according to prophecy in Zechariah 12:4, Deuteronomy 28:28-29 have been blinded to understanding it, as they're so argumentative.

There are tons of prophecies Yeshua fulfilled to the letter Zechariah 11, Isaiah 52:10-15 - Isaiah 53, Daniel 9:26, Isaiah 5, Isaiah 8, etc...

It is just bad comprehension by some, where with enough study it can all be explained logically based on the texts.

We should take into account the Messiah comes before the destruction of the 2nd temple (Daniel 9:26, Zechariah 11), and the 2nd coming is before Armageddon (Revelation 16:15-16) not to bring world peace.

In my opinion.

With enough apologetics anything is possible, the fact remains that many of the messianic prophecies were not fulfilled by Jesus

wizanda · Oct 5, 2019

JJ50 said:
There is no evidence the idea of a messiah is any more than a figment of the overactive human imagination.

Actually there is loads of evidence we can all see, people just don't study outside of the box they're taught.

Zechariah 11 says the Messiah will cut off Judah for them paying 30 pieces of silver for his head, we then can see historically the Jews have been in Exile for the last two thousand years being sent from nation to nation, this is all recorded in Deuteronomy 28 as the Curse of Moses.

The Gentiles have all been caught in a Snare of their own making which is in Isaiah 8, Isaiah 28:9-19, where it will catch out all the Ravenous Beings, who think that human sacrifice is acceptable, and we can see Christians believe they get inheritance from the death of Yeshua.

So we can see that the previous prophecies have been fulfilled to establish a Curse & Snare globally, which is visible to everyone; therefore the next parts will also take place.

In my opinion.

sooda · Oct 5, 2019

wizanda said:
There is no evidence Yeshua fulfilled prophecy according to the Rabbinic Jews, who according to prophecy in Zechariah 12:4, Deuteronomy 28:28-29 have been blinded to understanding it, as they're so argumentative.

There are tons of prophecies Yeshua fulfilled to the letter Zechariah 11, Isaiah 52:10-15 - Isaiah 53, Daniel 9:26, Isaiah 5, Isaiah 8, etc...

It is just bad comprehension by some, where with enough study it can all be explained logically based on the texts.

We should take into account the Messiah comes before the destruction of the 2nd temple (Daniel 9:26, Zechariah 11), and the 2nd coming is before Armageddon (Revelation 16:15-16) not to bring world peace.

In my opinion.

There are tons of prophecies Yeshua fulfilled to the letter Zechariah 11, Isaiah 52:10-15 - Isaiah 53, Daniel 9:26, Isaiah 5, Isaiah 8, etc...?????

Nope, not unless to take their scripture and change it to suit yourself.

wizanda · Oct 5, 2019

Amanaki said:
Who in your understanding is Messiah?

The Messiah is an ongoing process, David was God's begotten, who became Yehoshua/Yeshua Elohim (Isaiah 52:10), who becomes Zion Elohim (Isaiah 52:7).

The final Messiah is David according to prophecy (Ezekiel 34:23-24, Ezekiel 37:24-25, Jeremiah 23:5, Jeremiah 30:8-9, Jeremiah 33:15, Hosea 3:5, Isaiah 55:3, Isaiah 22:22, Isaiah 9:6-7, Revelation 5:5, etc), and David was Yeshua who died on the Cross (Psalms 89:19-21 is paraphrased in Isaiah 52:13-14 identifying Yeshua as being David reincarnated).

The Messiah according to all prophecy is the final avatar in the Messianic Age... Thus the same as the Maitreya, Skanda, Kalki, Saoshyant, etc.

In my opinion.

Spirit of Light · Oct 5, 2019

wizanda said:
The Messiah is an ongoing process, David was God's begotten, who became Yehoshua/Yeshua Elohim (Isaiah 52:10), who becomes Zion Elohim (Isaiah 52:7).

The final Messiah is David according to prophecy (Ezekiel 34:23-24, Ezekiel 37:24-25, Jeremiah 23:5, Jeremiah 30:8-9, Jeremiah 33:15, Hosea 3:5, Isaiah 55:3, Isaiah 22:22, Isaiah 9:6-7, Revelation 5:5, etc), and David was Yeshua who died on the Cross (Psalms 89:19-21 is paraphrased in Isaiah 52:13-14 identifying Yeshua as being David reincarnated).

The Messiah according to all prophecy is the final avatar in the Messianic Age... Thus the same as the Maitreya, Skanda, Kalki, Saoshyant, etc.

In my opinion.

In your understanding, is Messiah on earth now? and if yes, who is it?

wizanda · Oct 5, 2019

ChristineM said:
With enough apologetics anything is possible

Personally do not want to do any apologetics, just for us all to be exegetical...

Like I'd place my life on this, as we can show the data, like I'd stand in a world court, and if I fail send me to prison for life.

ChristineM said:
the fact remains that many of the messianic prophecies were not fulfilled by Jesus

The things Yeshua was meant to fulfil for the Messianic Snare to remove the ungodly, are all accurate for that time frame...

The other prophecies could not happen, without the precursors all being fulfilled, and would make no logical sense to assume otherwise.

So if you write a list of the items that were not fulfilled, we can go over each scripturally, and show where the texts expands to much more going on first.

Take into account a Rabbinic Jewish lists of Messianic prophecies basically takes all the good bits, where it is a land of milk and honey, and they've missed out the rest.

In my opinion.

wizanda · Oct 5, 2019

Amanaki said:
In your understanding, is Messiah on earth now? and if yes, who is it?

Yes the person according to prophecy with the new name of Christ (Revelation 3:12) is here on earth.

Already explained how if we study my name in many of the world's religious texts, it shows how what I've known since 4-5 years old is the same, that I was sent from Heaven before the Great Tribulation, and then the Messianic Age comes after.

In my opinion.

wizanda · Oct 5, 2019

sooda said:
There are tons of prophecies Yeshua fulfilled to the letter Zechariah 11, Isaiah 52:10-15 - Isaiah 53, Daniel 9:26, Isaiah 5, Isaiah 8, etc...?????

Nope, not unless to take their scripture and change it to suit yourself.

The thread is to question can we prove it or are people too argumentative.

We could go over each different aspect of them prophecies; yet if you continually just point to poorly fitting history, we won't get anywhere comprehending it.

In my opinion.

Spirit of Light · Oct 5, 2019

wizanda said:
Yes the person according to prophecy with the new name of Christ (Revelation 3:12) is here on earth.

Already explained how if we study my name in many of the world's religious texts, it shows how what I've known since 4-5 years old is the same, that I was sent from Heaven before the Great Tribulation, and then the Messianic Age comes after.

In my opinion.

So you say you are Messiah of today, But would you not be able to prove it to the world? would not your question in this thread be obsolete if you already know the answer?
There have been many people who claim to be Messiah, what does your claim more correct then those who shown to not be the true messiah?

ChristineM · Oct 5, 2019

wizanda said:
Personally do not want to do any apologetics, just for us all to be exegetical...

Like I'd place my life on this, as we can show the data, like I'd stand in a world court, and if I fail send me to prison for life.

The things Yeshua was meant to fulfil for the Messianic Snare to remove the ungodly, are all accurate for that time frame...

The other prophecies could not happen, without the precursors all being fulfilled, and would make no logical sense to assume otherwise.

So if you write a list of the items that were not fulfilled, we can go over each scripturally, and show where the texts expands to much more going on first.

Take into account a Rabbinic Jewish lists of Messianic prophecies basically takes all the good bits, where it is a land of milk and honey, and they've missed out the rest.

In my opinion.

You are welcome to your belief but it is not strong enough to stand up in court. The only way jesus fulfilled the messianic prophecies is by cherry picking those he did meet and ignoring the others.

Approaching the bible with jesus glasses does not change Jewish scripture.

Vinayaka · Oct 5, 2019

The way to prove it would be to actually do amazing stuff. Fly in the air. Create 20 bodies of yourself simultaneously. Wave your hand and remove all guns from this planet. Volunteer for a firing squad, take 100 shots to the head, then get up and smile.

You're the son of God, after all. That kind of stuff should be simple for you.

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