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If the world was ending in your lifetime would it change your faith in your religious doctrine?

Epic Beard Man

Bearded Philosopher
This question is normally targeted towards people of the Abrahamic faith, but of course any can answer. For those that are doctrinal literalist, if the world is ending unlike what it’s said in your religious eschatology, happens in your lifetime would it change your perspective of your religion?
 

amorphous_constellation

Well-Known Member
For me I think it would mean that we failed, because Gaia wanted us to be the pilots of the planet but we didn't succeed. So all I do is go down with the ship I guess, nothing else changes. It just means that we as the gifted species could not handle the divine gift, the earth is like a horse that bucks us off itself
 

Dawnofhope

Non-Proselytizing Baha'i
Staff member
Premium Member
This question is normally targeted towards people of the Abrahamic faith, but of course any can answer. For those that are doctrinal literalist, if the world is ending unlike what it’s said in your religious eschatology, happens in your lifetime would it change your perspective of your religion?
It would certainly give another meaning to a future world peace as promised by the Prophets in the books of old.
 

Windwalker

Veteran Member
Premium Member
It would certainly give another meaning to a future world peace as promised by the Prophets in the books of old.
Why would it necessarily? What if that was a hope we could not live up to, despite its promise? What if the end was a whimper into our collective death, and not the rebirth of the human species? How does that settle with one's faith?

I ask this question of Christians sometimes, that if there was no promise of an afterlife, if there was no future coming kingdom where the world is imagined as a utopia, if the true end was dust.... would you still believe in God? Would you still live for God? Would you still care?

The answer to that, to me, is the true measure of faith.
 

Stevicus

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This question is normally targeted towards people of the Abrahamic faith, but of course any can answer. For those that are doctrinal literalist, if the world is ending unlike what it’s said in your religious eschatology, happens in your lifetime would it change your perspective of your religion?

I suppose it would depend on how much time there is between the moment I become aware that it is "the end" and the moment my life becomes extinguished. I don't know that it would suddenly make me a believer, though. The world can end from any number of possible circumstances.
 

Dawnofhope

Non-Proselytizing Baha'i
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Premium Member
Why would it necessarily? What if that was a hope we could not live up to, despite its promise? What if the end was a whimper into our collective death, and not the rebirth of the human species? How does that settle with one's faith?

I ask this question of Christians sometimes, that if there was no promise of an afterlife, if there was no future coming kingdom where the world is imagined as a utopia, if the true end was dust.... would you still believe in God? Would you still live for God? Would you still care?

The answer to that, to me, is the true measure of faith.

I believe in a God who is concerned for humanity and guides us through His Messengers and Prophets. If that guidance tells us we are entering into an era of peace and prosperity, yet the world will be destroyed in 20 years, that would appear contradictory and nonsensical.

If it emerges there is no God, no life after death and we’re all dust in the wind, I’m good with that too. Its just not what I currently believe to be true.

 

74x12

Well-Known Member
This question is normally targeted towards people of the Abrahamic faith, but of course any can answer. For those that are doctrinal literalist, if the world is ending unlike what it’s said in your religious eschatology, happens in your lifetime would it change your perspective of your religion?
I agree with the logic of Pascal's wager but I don't need it myself since I know God is real already. So, hypothetically it wouldn't matter at that point what anyone believes. The world is ending. All would be over anyway.

But it's not going to happen.

What if the scriptures are fulfilled in front of everyone but in such a way that they don't notice? That's a better question.
 

wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
For those that are doctrinal literalist, if the world is ending unlike what it’s said in your religious eschatology, happens in your lifetime would it change your perspective of your religion?
Since been told all my life how the Great Tribulation will be in our lifetime by God, starting from before 3 years old in dreams; then have always known religious traditionalists are not exegetical, and that the world is already deceived by the Anti-Christ system.

In my opinion. :innocent:
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
This question is normally targeted towards people of the Abrahamic faith, but of course any can answer. For those that are doctrinal literalist, if the world is ending unlike what it’s said in your religious eschatology, happens in your lifetime would it change your perspective of your religion?
No it would be regarded as the normal course of nature and perfectly in alignment with the Heart Sutra.
 

Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
This question is normally targeted towards people of the Abrahamic faith, but of course any can answer. For those that are doctrinal literalist, if the world is ending unlike what it’s said in your religious eschatology, happens in your lifetime would it change your perspective of your religion?

That depends on what you mean by "the end of the world".

The Bible does not teach that "the world" will end....only the present systems of government under the influence of God's adversary (1 John 5:19) will be eliminated and replaced by the "Kingdom" of God that Jesus taught us to pray for...(Matthew 6:9-10; Daniel 2:44)

As a Bible believing Christian, it would not change my perspective or my religion because this is something to look forward to.....the ending of a bad situation on earth and the beginning of a new world where righteousness will replace all the horrible things that take place in this world. (2 Peter 3:13)

It will mean an end to wickedness and all who practice it....how is that not something to look forward to?
Man will go back to the conditions that God meant for us in Eden....unending life in paradise conditions with no more pain, suffering or death. (Revelation 21:2-4)

Bring it on.
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Deeje

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the world is already deceived by the Anti-Christ system.

Indeed it is....in fact all false religious systems come under one umbrella...."Babylon the great".....and includes all who have been deceived by God's adversary into false worship. Christ's followers are told to get out of there unless we want to share in her punishment. (Revelation 18:4-5)
 

wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
Christ's followers are told to get out of there unless we want to share in her punishment. (Revelation 18:4-5)
That system is bigger than most see, the Roman Empire adopted Christianity; things that contradict Christ are Anti Christ's teachings, thus the Gospel of John contradicts Yeshua in the Synoptic Gospels on well over 30 points, Paul is purposely rewriting things, and sealing Gentiles in a Trap, with Simon the stone (petros) being 'misled by the ways of man, more than the ways of God'.

In my opinion. :innocent:
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
This question is normally targeted towards people of the Abrahamic faith, but of course any can answer. For those that are doctrinal literalist, if the world is ending unlike what it’s said in your religious eschatology, happens in your lifetime would it change your perspective of your religion?

No. Apart from the fact i don't have one i would not change to a religion in the hope of making it any better. If the world ends it will be catastrophic and rapid. That's better than any alternative.

Side note. The British right wing press are continually running headlines on end of the world. As asteroid passed close by, extinction events, sun could go red giant. Its as though they are trying to hide the bull that buffoon Boris is serving up.
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
This question is normally targeted towards people of the Abrahamic faith, but of course any can answer. For those that are doctrinal literalist, if the world is ending unlike what it’s said in your religious eschatology, happens in your lifetime would it change your perspective of your religion?
A great question :)
But no it would not change my refuge in the Buddha, Dharma or sangha :) What we can be sure of is that we will die in this life, so when it happens is meant to be
 

Mock Turtle

Oh my, did I say that!
Premium Member
Nope - no change in my lack of faith. It would just confirm my views that humans are rather stupid (if they could have done something about any extinction event) or unlucky if they couldn't have done anything - and sadness for all the other lifeforms extinguished along with us.

Just a fact of existence most likely - that life is precious - and that we were too busy arguing amongst ourselves rather than making sure we all survived - rather than insisting, No!, I am Right! :oops:
 

syo

Well-Known Member
This question is normally targeted towards people of the Abrahamic faith, but of course any can answer.
I think this question is targeted to pagans. In my pagan religion there isn't the end of the World. Life will go on forever. If in my lifetime the Universe is about to get destroyed, then my pagan religion has something gone wrong in it's teachings... Will the World get destroyed???
 

Windwalker

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Premium Member
I believe in a God who is concerned for humanity and guides us through His Messengers and Prophets. If that guidance tells us we are entering into an era of peace and prosperity, yet the world will be destroyed in 20 years, that would appear contradictory and nonsensical.

If it emerges there is no God, no life after death and we’re all dust in the wind, I’m good with that too. Its just not what I currently believe to be true.
I think what my question is is not whether or not it turns out to be a contradiction, but if that message from all the holy men and sages, or prophets if you believe in them said, "All there is is this life. There is no future heavenly rewards after death. Humans will destroy the earth and all humans will become extinct. There will be no future kingdom where violence and death will be no more. Would you still follow them?

The question is asking what value belief in God has for people, if they are not going to get to live forever, be rewarded after they die, or be promised of a future outcome where God rescues us for certain death? Would they still believe? And then finally why or why not?
 

Epic Beard Man

Bearded Philosopher
For me I think it would mean that we failed, because Gaia wanted us to be the pilots of the planet but we didn't succeed. So all I do is go down with the ship I guess, nothi

You understand there are more ways to die. The planet could suffer an asteroid that we didn’t pick up.
 

Epic Beard Man

Bearded Philosopher
I agree with the logic of Pascal's wager but I don't need it myself since I know God is real already. So, hypothetically it wouldn't matter at that point what anyone believes. The world is ending. All would be over anyway.

But it's not going to happen.

What if the scriptures are fulfilled in front of everyone but in such a way that they don't notice? That's a better question.

But if the Bible is wrong and the Quran is wrong and the Torah is wrong regarding their eschatology what’s stopping up for being wrong about God? I mean if it says in the book such and such person is coming back to save us yet we all are going to die therefore rendering those books wrong what if we were wrong about God?

I’m just sharing a thought
 
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