Sand Dancer
Crazy Cat Lady
Yes, but they don't have separation of church and state. They don't allow other religions generally. Our government does not show favoritism to any particular religion.
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"Survey: 8% of Public School Students Have Had a Teacher Lead the Class in Prayer"
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Yes, but they don't have separation of church and state. They don't allow other religions generally. Our government does not show favoritism to any particular religion.
MikeDwight
Well-Known Member
Put together 2 million Anglicans and 2 million Presbyterians, and the European Protestant world would be lucky for the "White Christian" to step on them with a dirty boot. of 330 million americans! Oppression! They're al supposedly older educated liberals too says the internet. What would be your claim to a "white" Christianity, Martin Luther King Jr.'s Baptist, or a hyper-Methodist catch-up game, we were already desegregating the church tho.
Christianity has no color
I just love how people get excited when I post those things.
Now, to get honest here...
Yes, you aren't suppose to lead with prayer *in today's society" by and large. However, there are still pockets that hold on to what was normal before.
HOWEVER, there is great hypocrisy here... please note:
"WASHINGTON (BP) -- The constitutionality of legislative prayer gained reaffirmation Wednesday (Oct. 11) when a federal court dismissed an atheist's challenge of the U.S. House of Representatives' right to bar him from delivering an invocation." Oct 2017
So, Supreme court starts with prayer, Senate starts with prayer and The House starts with prayer. No casualties, no "abuse", no one has PTSD for having it happen.
The truth is, every State in the Union has God in their Constitution and prayer was the order of the day. In schools, in government, in restaurants, in wherever for about 200 years. UNTIL...
Judicial activism was instituted.
MikeDwight
Well-Known Member
The Preambles Of All 50 States Of The United States
Huh! You're right, that's interesting. However this exact phrase,
invoking the favor and guidance of Almighty God
is in the Alabama Constitution, made by John Knox, the founder of Presbyterianism, oh no wait contemporary John B. Knox. My bad!
is the exact form of the phrase,
invoking the favor and guidance of Almighty God
in the Confederate Constitution they wrote for the States in the peaceable demonstration of the two-governments of the States system of Paradise. Before the War. of Aggression.
That's a pretty ugly moral principle.When in Rome... do as the Romans
Unsurprisingly, it comes from a Christian.
Tom
My state Constitution also forbade black people from residing or buying property in Indiana.
My state was around 50 years old before killing a Native American was considered a crime.
Luckily, even Indiana has adopted a more secular humanist code of values. The Christians who founded the state and wrote the Constitution had altogether too much Scriptural ethics for the modern world.
Tom
MikeDwight
Well-Known Member
Nay, at the exact end of Federal overstep and interventionism, every statute of the Constitution of Alabama returns to effect. We need to find ways to deny black voting despite the Constitutional amendments, to return the State institutions to White Supremacy, that's 51%, they're only 45% now maybe 30%, of the population, that's overrepresentation racially without White Supremacy. Then, we kicked out these Republican carpetbaggers. General Grant. End Reconstruction. We honor our Veterans. Then, we sell everyone in town about denying their own votes, so that we can end black voting. So sayeth the plantation class. That slogan is, 'it costs a man to keep another man down'. We play, "Dennis Moore", for a series, of daring white supremacy constitutional conventionalists.
Constitution of Alabama - Wikipedia
Constitution of Indiana - Wikipedia
Constitution of Indiana - Wikipedia
I was just ribbing people to see their responses. There is "some" truth to it... but certainly not broadcasting everyone morning on a loud speaker.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
What about my rights as a tax payer? Why should I foot the bill for a political/religious agenda I don't agree with or believe in?
These nations don't have a separation of church and state, and even if they did, are those mosques ran or funded by the state?
How many times do we have to explain the establishment clause of the 1st amendment to you?
Hey... if they can spend MY tax dollars on teaching what I don't believe in through public schools... I demand equality!
HonestJoe
Well-Known Member
You didn’t answer my question; Would you support teacher-led Muslim, Hindu or Norse prayers in public schools?Anytime anyone shares, like abortion is a right, it is proselytizing. We learn to live with it.
MikeDwight
Well-Known Member
Actually good question, and in my experience, as is heavily documented, everyone understand 'learning' in a school, and students will try anything with anybody. That doesn't do anything to their soul.
Bob the Unbeliever
Well-Known Member
Nice bit of side-tracking and 100% ignoring the fact that public prayers are abusive to anyone NOT in the exclusive club.
Bob the Unbeliever
Well-Known Member
Anytime anyone shares, like abortion is a right, it is proselytizing. We learn to live with it.
Abortion IS a right-- it's about owning your own body, and not being a body-slave to another.
Oh! Silly me! I forgot: The bible is just FINE with slavery....
Yes, I would think it would a great learning experience for the students. About freedom too!
Ohhh...
the finer details. Different blood (that if mixed it would kill the baby), different DNA, different heartbeat, different brains waves, but its the same body.
I might as well as say Bob the Unbeliever is my body.
Sand Dancer
Crazy Cat Lady
Christianity has no color
White Christianity tends to be conservative, but not completely. Black Christianity tends to be more amenable to the poor and disaffected.
Sand Dancer
Crazy Cat Lady
That was back in the day when the majority were Christian. It's not the same and we can't pretend it is.
Sand Dancer
Crazy Cat Lady
Hey... if they can spend MY tax dollars on teaching what I don't believe in through public schools... I demand equality!
Are you opposed to learning reading, writing and 'rithmetic, as well as history and science?