I don't need to name historians, because the bruden of proof lies with you.
And the historians you named, don't support your case at all, as I explained multiple times now.
Ignoring your mistakes will not make them go away.
I'm aware of their work and was aware of their work long before you brought it up.
I explained, at length, multiple times, how your interpretation of their work is wrong.
You have yet to address this point. I have given up on hoping that you will.
You don't actually care that your beliefs are justified. You just hold them because you like them.
You should expect the same reply you've already been given: explanations of how your argument is flawed.
And you'll just continue to ignore it.
I never considered for a moment that I am a prosecutor in a court case
Where the burden of proof lies in the prosecution.
The OT is
Did Jesus actually die
died from what?
What is the cause of death [COD]?
Who confirmed the death if there was no autopsy?
Where was the victim last seen?
Who killed the victim?
We shouldn't wander off the OT to
Did Jesus actually live
Because we have a murder investigation at hand
That would be moot and academic
since the case is
Did Jesus actually die
The historians who are atheist or pagan
have recorded that they confirmed the existence of Jesus
and recorded their observations in their work
Nobody objected or questioned their work
Hence it is considered a verified history
And when you have a verified history this bolster
the authenticity of the Bible
The mere existence could be traced from the people Jesus communicated with.
You have the apostles, relatives and followers of Jesus Christ.
Let us take the example of Paul, apostle of Christ
Question:
Is there historical evidence that the apostle Paul was a real person?
Answer:
As far as I know
there is not a single reputable scholar, including atheists, Jews, Muslims, skeptics or anyone from any background who is a historian or scholar who doubts that Paul was a real person.
SOURCE:
Is there any historical evidence that Paul was a real person? | Evidence for Christianity
Posted on
February 2, 2015 by
John Oakes
Based on the construction of facts: Saul [later named Paul the apostle] heard the voice of Jesus Christ on his way to Damascus to persecute the early Church of Christ [the followers of Jesus Christ and the rest of the apostles]
Question:
Is there any evidence outside of the Bible that Jesus was real?
Answer:
A number of non-Christian historical sources mention Jesus of Nazareth, from as early as the late first century AD. This includes Jewish historian Josephus, the Jewish OT commentary known as the Talmud, and Roman historians, especially Tacitus and Seutonius. These writers mention his name, how he died and the fact that many claimed he worked miracles and was raised from the dead. Then there were the dozens of early church writers such as Clement of Rome and Ignatius who personally knew people who knew Jesus and who told them first hand stories about Jesus of Nazareth. Ignatius actually knew the apostle John. It is literally impossible to claim that Jesus was not a real person unless one is simply ignorant of the facts or one chooses blatantly to ignore the hard evidence of history. Some have said that we know as much or more about Jesus of Nazareth as we do any other ancient figure. I think this is a bit of an overstatement, but that people say this illustrates the point. Whether or not every event recorded in the gospels actually happened is something a reasonable person can debate, but to claim that he never lived is simply not supportable.
For specifics, references and direct quotes from Tacitus, Seutonius, Josephus and others see my book Reasons for Belief (
www.ipibooks.com), especially chapters 1-3. Also, doing a word search at my web site will give you several references to the things these writers said about Jesus.
John Oakes, PhD
Now if you want to grill the guy, maybe you should meet up with him in San Diego Calif
If not then
