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Bible's authority

Rival

Rival

se Dex me saut.
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There are many things that go against scripture alone, such as Shemot/Exodus 25:40,

And look that thou make them after their pattern, which was shown thee in the mountain. (Koren Chumash)

Last I checked, there are no patterns or diagrams in Torah.

There's no explanation for what constitutes 'afflicting your souls' on Yom Kippur,

And this shall be a statute for ever to you: that in the seventh month, on the tenth day of the month, you shall afflict your souls, and do no work at all, the home born or the stranger that sojourns among you: for on that day He will forgive you, to cleanse you, that you may be clean from all your sins before the L-rd. (ibid., Vayikra/Leviticus 16:29)

These require an Oral Tradition.
 
PureX

PureX

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The problem, I think, is in how people choose to interpret the term "word". In the Greek in which the NT was written the term was "logos", which referred to a kind of divine blueprint, or plan, through which all things come into being. It is the mind and will (intent) of God expressed though and embodied by existence, itself. Today we would call it the T.O.E. (theory of everything) in quantum physics that determines how energy can and cannot behave, and thereby determines how the universe exists. So to refer to Jesus as "the word" is to imply that he represented the mind and will of God. And likewise, to refer to the Bible as "the word", is to imply that it represents the mind and will of God. Many Christians believe both of these to be the case, and so accept both of them as representations of that divine "logos": of God's mind and will.
 
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robocop (actually)

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Nakosis

Nakosis

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AT-AT said:
The problem with Sola Scriptura is it in part ignores that both Jesus AND the written word of things spoken, seem to be the Word:

How can Jesus and the Bible both be the Word of God? | GotQuestions.org

So the Bible is and isn't the Word, which would at least mildly go against Sola Scriptura.

Sola Scriptura: Sola scriptura - Wikipedia
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The Pope was the authority, except the Protestants decided they didn't like what the Pope was saying so all they had really was the Bible left.
 
Rival

Rival

se Dex me saut.
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Nakosis said:
The Pope was the authority, except the Protestants decided they didn't like what the Pope was saying so all they had really was the Bible left.
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This is hardly true when one reckons the Eastern Orthodox. They could have kept Tradition.
 
Nakosis

Nakosis

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Rival said:
This is hardly true when one reckons the Eastern Orthodox. They could have kept Tradition.
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Per the "The Confession of Dositheus" they see the church as having equal authority. IOW the church has the right of interpretation of the Bible. The Bible without the church has no authority.

For every foul heresy accepts the Divine Scriptures, but perversely interprets the same, using metaphors, and homonymies, and sophistries of man’s wisdom, confounding what ought to be distinguished, and trifling with what ought not to be trifled with.
The Confession of Dositheus (Eastern Orthodox)

This was pretty much in response to Protestant sola scriptura.
 
Rival

Rival

se Dex me saut.
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Nakosis said:
Per the "The Confession of Dositheus" they see the church as having equal authority. IOW the church has the right of interpretation of the Bible. The Bible without the church has no authority.

For every foul heresy accepts the Divine Scriptures, but perversely interprets the same, using metaphors, and homonymies, and sophistries of man’s wisdom, confounding what ought to be distinguished, and trifling with what ought not to be trifled with.
The Confession of Dositheus (Eastern Orthodox)

This was pretty much in response to Protestant sola scriptura.
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I meant they have no pope, but are not sola scriptura.
 
metis

metis

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Nakosis said:
The Pope was the authority, except the Protestants decided they didn't like what the Pope was saying so all they had really was the Bible left.
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The Pope was and is an authority within the CC, not the authority.
 
Nakosis

Nakosis

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Rival said:
I meant they have no pope, but are not sola scriptura.
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Ok, it seems though that sola scriptura allows anyone to pick up the Bible and interpret it according to their, well I want to say whim but maybe educated guess work.?

Supposedly inspired/guided by the Holy Spirit, but more likely the unconscious mind trying to force parts of the Bible into a story.
 
74x12

74x12

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AT-AT said:
The problem with Sola Scriptura is it in part ignores that both Jesus AND the written word of things spoken, seem to be the Word:

How can Jesus and the Bible both be the Word of God? | GotQuestions.org

So the Bible is and isn't the Word, which would at least mildly go against Sola Scriptura.

Sola Scriptura: Sola scriptura - Wikipedia
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Yes, the scriptures are written down revelations of prophets. That means the prophet got the Word from God and wrote it down. The Word of God itself is defined by Jesus as "every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God". So it's what God speaks.

Jesus is the Word incarnate. He was God manifest.
 
Hockeycowboy

Hockeycowboy

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Samantha Rinne

Samantha Rinne

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AT-AT said:
The problem with Sola Scriptura is it in part ignores that both Jesus AND the written word of things spoken, seem to be the Word:

How can Jesus and the Bible both be the Word of God? | GotQuestions.org

So the Bible is and isn't the Word, which would at least mildly go against Sola Scriptura.

Sola Scriptura: Sola scriptura - Wikipedia
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I personally think Sola Scriptura is really just an arternative to stuff like papal infallibility and church hierarchy. If it is a rival of Jesus, no. But we should only trust the scripture which says Jesus is our High Priest, ignoring the Pope telling us that he is. He's just another wicked tenant.
 
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