Some problems i found with adam and the afterlife

The Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground (body), and breathed into his nostrils the breath (spirit) of life; and man became a living soul (soul)". Genesis 2:7. It is not said that man became spirit and soul; but rather, that God inbreathed spirit, and man became a living soul.

I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ." (1 Thessalonians 5:23)



If you look at Genesis 2:7 adam does not have a soul.But in 1 Thessalonians 5:23 man DOES have a soul

I put this in Religions Q&A.But thought it might get more replies here.

I found all of this at this website: The Errors of Soul Sleep

Frank Goad said:

The Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground (body), and breathed into his nostrils the breath (spirit) of life; and man became a living soul (soul)". Genesis 2:7. It is not said that man became spirit and soul; but rather, that God inbreathed spirit, and man became a living soul.

I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ." (1 Thessalonians 5:23)



If you look at Genesis 2:7 adam does not have a soul.But in 1 Thessalonians 5:23 man DOES have a soul

I put this in Religions Q&A.But thought it might get more replies here.

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Actually... Genesis 2:7 does say he has a soul... please read what you quoted " and man became a living soul"
soul, self, life, creature, person, appetite, mind, living being, desire, emotion, passion

1. that which breathes, the breathing substance or being, soul, the inner being of man

Frank Goad said:

The Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground (body), and breathed into his nostrils the breath (spirit) of life; and man became a living soul (soul)". Genesis 2:7. It is not said that man became spirit and soul; but rather, that God inbreathed spirit, and man became a living soul.

I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ." (1 Thessalonians 5:23)



If you look at Genesis 2:7 adam does not have a soul.But in 1 Thessalonians 5:23 man DOES have a soul

I put this in Religions Q&A.But thought it might get more replies here.

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Your question is confusing because you say that (Gen. 2:7) says man is a soul and then say adam does not have a soul.

In other words in (Genesis) the body, soul, and spirit, are there. In (1 Thess) the body sould and spirit are there.

Good-Ole-Rebel

Sorry.Read my religion im my first post and you will get why I am so confused.

@Frank Goad
Genesis 2:7 says that man has a soul.
Body, soul and spirit form man.

The Bible mentions and differentiates spirit, soul and body.

Hebrews 4:12
For the word of Aluah(God) is living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and spirit, of joints and of marrow, and discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart.
Luke 12:4-5
I tell you, my friends, do not fear those who kill the body, and after that have nothing more that they can do. 5 But I will warn you whom to fear: fear him who, after he has killed, has authority to cast into hell. Yes, I tell you, fear him!
James 2:26
For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

Jesus himself said that after his crucifixion he will be three days and three nights inside the earth (Matthew 12:40). His dead body was in the tomb but his soul was inside the earth (realm of the dead Isaiah 38:11). To be more precise, Jesus was in paradise after his death. For shortly before Jesus died, he spoke to the criminal who was crucified with him: "And he said to him, Truly, I say to you, today you will be with me in paradise."(Luke 23:43)

Paradise and hell are clearly mentioned in Luke 16:19-31, where, for example, Abraham, which was already dead (physically), is also mentioned.

The souls of Moses and Elijah appeared to Jesus and spoke with him, and we also know that both have been dead for a long time. Mark 9:4
Did Jesus talk to people who were not there at all? I don't think so.

And the souls of the dead who are in the interior of the earth (the realm of the dead) are talking to God.
Revelation 6:9-10
When he opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the witness they had borne. 10 They cried out with a loud voice, "O Sovereign Lord, holy and true, how long before you will judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?"

Can dead souls who have no consciousness speak? I don't think so.

Frank Goad said:

Sorry.Read my religion im my first post and you will get why I am so confused.

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That's no problem. Hang in there.

Good-Ole-Rebel

Frank Goad said:

The Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground (body), and breathed into his nostrils the breath (spirit) of life; and man became a living soul (soul)". Genesis 2:7. It is not said that man became spirit and soul; but rather, that God inbreathed spirit, and man became a living soul.

I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ." (1 Thessalonians 5:23)



If you look at Genesis 2:7 adam does not have a soul.But in 1 Thessalonians 5:23 man DOES have a soul

I put this in Religions Q&A.But thought it might get more replies here.

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Exactly. We are body, soul and spirit.

The body is our physical body. Then the spirit is our spiritual body or the so called "astral" body. And the soul is oyur consciousness. The soul is stream of consciousness. In other words your continuing thought life. Your mind. So when someone dies their soul leaves the physical body but is now attached to the spirit body. This means the soul continues but just not in the physical body.

It's like a flame of fire being transferred from one candle to another.

Just as fire needs fuel to keep burning. The soul needs a source of thought or consciousness. While in the physical body this comes from the physical brain. The brain acts as a thought generator. In other words by continuing to generate new thoughts it allows the soul to dwell within it. But once the brain dies then the soul goes elsewhere. Once someone dies it will continue but in the spirit body.


1 Corinthians 15:40 King James Version (KJV)
40 There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.

Frank Goad said:

The Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground (body), and breathed into his nostrils the breath (spirit) of life; and man became a living soul (soul)". Genesis 2:7. It is not said that man became spirit and soul; but rather, that God inbreathed spirit, and man became a living soul.

I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ." (1 Thessalonians 5:23)



If you look at Genesis 2:7 adam does not have a soul.But in 1 Thessalonians 5:23 man DOES have a soul

I put this in Religions Q&A.But thought it might get more replies here.

I found all of this at this website: The Errors of Soul Sleep

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two souls, animal and rational; animal - life force , everything alive has life force, humans also have rational soul.

leov said:

two souls, animal and rational; animal - life force , everything alive has life force, humans also have rational soul.

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What makes it so hard is i was raised as an immortality of the soul believer.But when you read stuff like Ecclesiastes 9:5 it gets confusing.

Frank Goad said:

What makes it so hard is i was raised as an immortality of the soul believer.But when you read stuff like Ecclesiastes 9:5 it gets confusing.

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What do think about Ecclesiastes 12:7 ?

Frank Goad said:

The Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground (body), and breathed into his nostrils the breath (spirit) of life; and man became a living soul (soul)". Genesis 2:7. It is not said that man became spirit and soul; but rather, that God inbreathed spirit, and man became a living soul.

I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ." (1 Thessalonians 5:23)



If you look at Genesis 2:7 adam does not have a soul.But in 1 Thessalonians 5:23 man DOES have a soul

I put this in Religions Q&A.But thought it might get more replies here.

I found all of this at this website: The Errors of Soul Sleep

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First of all, from our perspective, Genesis 2:7 confirms that Adam was not "given" a soul, but "became" a soul as soon as God started him breathing. His breath is the same "spirit" that animates all living things. As soon as the spirit leaves, (a living creature stops breathing) the soul dies.

The Bible's formula is simple...
A body + spirit (breath) = a soul. Man or animal, makes no difference....death comes to all. (Ecclesiastes 3:19-20) Genesis says that all sentient creatures are "souls".
Ezekiel 18:4 says that souls die, therefore they are not immortal. So even though all souls die, only humans expect to keep living. No other creatures are created to live forever because only humans were made in God's image.

1 Thessalonians 5:23 is isolated again and read that way, leads to misinterpretation. Read it in context....

Just from verse 12 you can see whom Paul is addressing....

"12 Now we request you, brothers, to show respect for those who are working hard among you and presiding over you in the Lord and admonishing you; 13 and to give them extraordinary consideration in love because of their work. Be peaceable with one another. 14 On the other hand, we urge you, brothers, to warn the disorderly, speak consolingly to those who are depressed, support the weak, be patient toward all. 15 See that no one repays injury for injury to anyone, but always pursue what is good toward one another and to all others. . . . .

23 May the God of peace himself sanctify you completely. And may the spirit and soul and body of you brothers, sound in every respect, be preserved blameless at the presence of our Lord Jesus Christ. 24 The one who is calling you is faithful, and he will surely do so.

25 Brothers, keep praying for us.

26 Greet all the brothers with a holy kiss.

27 I am putting you under the solemn obligation by the Lord to have this letter read to all the brothers.

28 The undeserved kindness of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you."

You see, he is addressing the Thessalonians congregation concerning the role of brothers who are taking the lead there and their response to their direction. He is addressing the congregation as a whole. So when he speaks of "the body" (those who make up the body of Christ) he is not speaking of the human body.

The "soul" in the scriptures represents life itself, so the life of this body of Christians had to reflect the teachings of the Master.

The "spirit" in this context means the healthily spirit of the whole congregation to which each individual is a contributor.

Never take a verse out of context. What the whole Bible teaches has to agree with every verse in it. If you find contradictions, then it is proof that misinterpretation is at work. Unfortunately, Christendom is the master of misinterpretation......and the confusion that results is the reason for its disunity.

I hope that helps.

leov said:

What do think about Ecclesiastes 12:7 ?

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This is a typical misinterpretation of what the verse actually says with respect to everything else Solomon wrote. Do you think this verse contradicts Ecclesiastes 9: 5 & 10? Does God contradict himself? Would he inspire contradictory verses?

The spirit (not the soul) is what returns to God. Only in the resurrection can God restore the "breath" (spirit) of life in a new body.

leov said:

What do think about Ecclesiastes 12:7 ?

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I think it could mean life force.Or it could mean we have a part of us that is kind of like a ghost.And when we die it goes to heaven.Not sure either way.If daniel 12:2 is true i will know at the resurrection.If soul sleep is true.

calm said:

Can dead souls who have no consciousness speak? I don't think so.

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Genesis 4:8-10...
"8 After that Cain said to his brother Abel: “Let us go over into the field.” So while they were in the field, Cain assaulted his brother Abel and killed him. 9 Later on, Jehovah said to Cain: “Where is your brother Abel?” and he said: “I do not know. Am I my brother’s guardian?” 10 At this He said: “What have you done? Listen! Your brother’s blood is crying out to me from the ground."

Can someone's blood cry out to God? It can figuratively speaking....just as the "souls" or lives of those martyred can call out to God for justice.

Deeje said:

This is a typical misinterpretation of what the verse actually says with respect to everything else Solomon wrote. Do you think this verse contradicts Ecclesiastes 9: 5 & 10? Does God contradict himself? Would he inspire contradictory verses?

The spirit (not the soul) is what returns to God. Only in the resurrection can God restore the "breath" (spirit) of life in a new body.

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i think that human consists of several bodies, some if them are mortal some not.

Deeje said:

Genesis 4:8-10...
"8 After that Cain said to his brother Abel: “Let us go over into the field.” So while they were in the field, Cain assaulted his brother Abel and killed him. 9 Later on, Jehovah said to Cain: “Where is your brother Abel?” and he said: “I do not know. Am I my brother’s guardian?” 10 At this He said: “What have you done? Listen! Your brother’s blood is crying out to me from the ground."

Can someone's blood cry out to God? It can figuratively speaking....just as the "souls" or lives of those martyred can call out to God for justice.

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This is not to be understood literally but symbolically.
The blood of Abel only screamed, but the souls of the dead have a conversation with God. They pronounced words. That is a difference, and therefore it cannot be understood symbolically.

When he opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the witness they had borne. 10 They cried out with a loud voice, "O Sovereign Lord, holy and true, how long before you will judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?"

leov said:

i think that human consists of several bodies, some if them are mortal some not.

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What gives you that idea?

The Bible is all we have to formulate our beliefs about God and the purpose of sending his son into the world to "save" us. There is one story and one big picture....but people looking through distorted lenses who like to put their own spin on scripture are led to wrong conclusions. This is nothing new, it's been happening for as long as people have has God's written word to guide them.

If you base Christian beliefs on what Jesus taught, as a Jew, the only scripture he used was the OT....the accepted Hebrew canon. The life and teachings of Jesus are recorded for our benefit, along with the same scriptures he used to preach to the "lost sheep" in Israel.

Unless you know what the ancient Jews believed about life and death and the soul and spirit, you can fall into the same trap as modern Judaism and Christendom.....falling back on the erroneous ideas of men, rather than relying only on God's word and it's accurate understanding.

There are no immortal souls in the Bible. A "soul" and a "spirit" are two entirely different concepts, but apostate thinking has merged them into one. The differences are vital if we are to embrace the truth. Unless you study God's word without the pre-conceived ideas that were introduced later by religious imposters, your thinking on many of the Bible's teachings will be distorted.

Only God can open a person's heart to his truth. (John 6:65) He doesn't reveal it to just anyone for very good reasons. He is choosing citizens for his incoming Kingdom, so thos who have no interest in the truth, (those who do not love the truth) will never find it. (2 Thessalonians 2:9-12)

That is what the Bible says to me.

Deeje said:

What gives you that idea?

The Bible is all we have to formulate our beliefs about God and the purpose of sending his son into the world to "save" us. There is one story and one big picture....but people looking through distorted lenses who like to put their own spin on scripture are led to wrong conclusions. This is nothing new, it's been happening for as long as people have has God's written word to guide them.

If you base Christian beliefs on what Jesus taught, as a Jew, the only scripture he used was the OT....the accepted Hebrew canon. The life and teachings of Jesus are recorded for our benefit, along with the same scriptures he used to preach to the "lost sheep" in Israel.

Unless you know what the ancient Jews believed about life and death and the soul and spirit, you can fall into the same trap as modern Judaism and Christendom.....falling back on the erroneous ideas of men, rather than relying only on God's word and it's accurate understanding.

There are no immortal souls in the Bible. A "soul" and a "spirit" are two entirely different concepts, but apostate thinking has merged them into one. The differences are vital if we are to embrace the truth. Unless you study God's word without the pre-conceived ideas that were introduced later by religious imposters, your thinking on many of the Bible's teachings will be distorted.

Only God can open a person's heart to his truth. (John 6:65) He doesn't reveal it to just anyone for very good reasons. He is choosing citizens for his incoming Kingdom, so thos who have no interest in the truth, (those who do not love the truth) will never find it. (2 Thessalonians 2:9-12)

That is what the Bible says to me.

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SOUL - JewishEncyclopedia.com just a review
soul and spirit are conditions of individual consciousness, ego. kind of as outlined in 1 Cor 2.

Frank Goad said:

The Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground (body), and breathed into his nostrils the breath (spirit) of life; and man became a living soul (soul)". Genesis 2:7. It is not said that man became spirit and soul; but rather, that God inbreathed spirit, and man became a living soul.

I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ." (1 Thessalonians 5:23)



If you look at Genesis 2:7 adam does not have a soul.But in 1 Thessalonians 5:23 man DOES have a soul

I put this in Religions Q&A.But thought it might get more replies here.

I found all of this at this website: The Errors of Soul Sleep

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Very good. You are researching.
The post below your first post should help.

a) Man became a living person / being - a life.
b) I pray God your whole spirit (is this the same force of life? See below please) and soul (being, life, person) and body be preserved...

Consider...
(Matthew 26:41) . . .The spirit, of course, is eager, but the flesh is weak.. . .
What spirit?
Ephesians 4:23 Context: and that you be renewed in the spirit of your mind,
Ephesians 4:23, 24
23 ...and that you be renewed in the spirit of your mind, 24...and put on the new self, which in the likeness of God has been created in righteousness and holiness of the truth.

(Ephesians 4:23, 24)
23 but that YOU should be made new in the force actuating YOUR mind, 24 and should put on the new personality which was created according to God’s will in true righteousness and loyalty.

Apparently, Thessalonians is not referring to the breath of life in Genesis 2:7.

Frank Goad said:

What makes it so hard is i was raised as an immortality of the soul believer.But when you read stuff like Ecclesiastes 9:5 it gets confusing.

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It can get a bit confusing, but be patient. Remember to let the Bible speak to you Frank.