I await the argument to be put in front of me.
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Rabbi Sucks Baby's Penis And Gives Him Herpes
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Curious George
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And i await your response that will dictate which arguement gets put in front of you.
Which claims do you not find credible and therefore would like support?
Doesn't seem like I am asking too much of you. Just point to one and assert you don't believe it.
I claim only to have not yet seen a cogent argument
of net health benefit in modern countries. But you
claim to have one. The burden is on you to provide.
Curious George
Veteran Member
That is shifting goal posts. I claimed there were medical benefits. You said youwere not aware of any.
That's not quite right.
1) Goal posts are stationary.
2) Your paraphrasing is very incorrect.
You still have presented no cogent evidence based argument of net
health benefits in modern western countries. My specificity should be
a clue about what factors to consider if you ever present an argument.
Curious George
Veteran Member
Changing from "benefits" to "net benefits" is a goal post shift
Curious George
Veteran Member
I am glad we now agree there are health benefits to circumcision
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
Apologizing for unsanitary and unsafe practices that mutilate a child is worse. Are we to excuse Muslim cultures like Iran and Saudi Arabia? Do we just sit back and let the Nazis do there thing? Female genial mutilation is norm here - taboo there, mutilating children of either sex regardless of culture is wrong. Just as rape and slavery, regardless of culture, are wrong.
But this thread will encourage people to stop using plastic straws
because every time one.....never mind.
Whether some procedure is useful or wrongful involves
tallying pluses & minuses to determine the net result.
I assumed this was important all along, but decided it
should be explicit rather than implicit.
Als, what is beneficial in poor societies with unsanitary
conditions might not be in a modern wealthy country.
Goalposts remain firmly planted, but you have yet to
attempt kicking the ball thru them. I await your analysis.
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Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
Does it matter? It's an unnecessary procedure that permanently modifies the body of an individual without their knowledge or consent. That is what it is before we get to adding any cultural or religious reasons.
Curious George
Veteran Member
I needn't, you are as good as acknowledging the medical benefits. You are now just arguing that the detriment outweighs the benefit.
dybmh
דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
In the absence of medical necessity; cultural and religious reasons matter.
Are you by any chance a congressman?
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
Cultural and religious reasons often upon what we consider the rights and liberties of all humans. In this case it is to needlessly remove body parts of an infant.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
You're either crazy, have poor reading comprehension, or are trying to deliberately misrepresent him.
dybmh
דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
OK. I see your point.
However, it's still an interesting element of the debate, isn't it? Even if the cultural / religious qualifier is removed: I wonder how many circumcised men regret it? I did a cursory google search, and it appears to be rare.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
So? It was still done to them without their consent, and they probably don't think of it that much. You might as well make your decision for the morality of lobotomies based on if people regret it or not. It was generally done without their consent, and the fact you can find evidence of those who didn't regret it, and were even thankful for it, didn't excuse the fact they were immoraly preformed. Do cult members like Branch Davidians regret it? Often times no. That doesn't change the fact we must be vigilant for such cults and be willing to help puerile or if them, because those things are wrong regardless.