Tumah
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The IDF isn't the one arguing against circumcision, you are.
Is this your argument for why it's reasonable to put other people at risk of serious injury?
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Rabbi Sucks Baby's Penis And Gives Him Herpes
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That and the fact that my boss can require me to report in any part of Sydney and expect me to show up within 1 business day
Tumah
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I think you see where I'm going.
dybmh
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Are the "we" you are speaking about Haredi? "... as far as I know, we ( Haredi ) all do it."
Or, are you saying "as far as I know, we ( Jews ) all do it." ?
Would you allow female circumcision, if it's the less
extreme kind, ie, similar in scope to male circumcision?
(It too would kill fewer people than traffic accidents.)
Tumah
Veteran Member
Haredi, yeah. I don't think there's anything that "all Jews" do, besides eat food and sleep.
Tumah
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I don't know enough about female circumcision and it's effects to answer that.
If the experience is similar to mine, then I see no reason to be against it.
dybmh
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The most common type is cutting off the clitoris. I believe its function is a social one and in certain parts of the African continent, a girl who is not cut is seen as unclean (whatever that means in their culture, I don't know).
Tumah
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It's the other way around. Chassidism is a sub-category of Haredim/Ultra-Orthodox Judaism.
Tumah
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Opinions in Jewish sources range from 'it's not forbidden' to 'it fulfills a positive commandment' to make use of that organ. So I guess we're on the other side of the fence on that one.
rosends
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Anyone could potentially be a carrier of anything. A doctor walking through a ward might have a cold. Hospital-acquired infections are a problem but the solution isn't to ban hospitals. If you look at the response to these cases that I posted, you will see that the The question of what is taboo is cultural. In some, touching feet might be taboo (I know a doctor who refuses to do this, and requires her patients to wear socks) but in others, it isn't. A man's touching a woman's breast is an issue unless he is a specialist. Some would say it is necessary, others not. Some would say that a spiritual healing is necessary and others not. Cross cultural judgments based on local taboos are dangerous.
Something I read about the recent cases,
"Over the past two years, according to The Forward, E. Oscar Alleyne, director of public health planning in Rockland County, New York, conducted DNA tests – the only conclusive way of identifying the source of a herpes infection – on three mohelim who performed MBP on babies that later tested positive for herpes.
The result of one investigation was inconclusive. The results of the other two showed that the two mohelim were clearly not the source of the disease."
'Oral suction' provides anti-circumcision activists with dubious ammunition
Again, and as I have said in this thread, i am not trying to defend the practice. I am just concerned about the way it is being presented.
dybmh
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Regarding the MBP, what do you think? Is it kosher to use a sponge or some other in-direct suction method?
Darkforbid
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2 out of 3 adult have herpes simplex,,
If that is true, that rabbi should go to jail with the charge of serious damage to that child’s health. Herpes at that age might even be deadly.
Freedom of religion, aka primitive superstitions and rituals, has no value when it comes to the health of kids.
Ciao
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Tumah
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We're talking about Judaism here. Some Rabbis say it's required to use an instrument, some say it's permitted and some say it's prohibited. And the question goes back at least 150 years, so that means that there's a lot more Rabbis that have argued about it than you would think.
Tumah
Veteran Member
It's not [necessarily] a Rabbi who does the circumcision, but I agree. Any circumciser who does it and is not regularly getting tested for anything that he could potentially pass on, has their blood on his hands.
Tumah
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Well, he does spit it out, since it's prohibited to eat blood. But yeah.
dybmh
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Thanks!