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Jesus - Son of Adam?

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susanblange

Active Member
74x12 said:
Melchizedek was probably Shem (Genesis 9:26, Genesis 14:18) ... he had more of an Enochian religion. Enoch was his ancestor and Noah's grandfather. (Jude 1:14) No doubt Enoch left them some writings and definitely wisdom/knowledge. I'm not sure why you think that he was more in line with Kabbalah which was started by Jewish rabbis in the medieval age. In my opinion it's untrustworthy because it has heresy and it's also probably based off of Babylonian magic. Like the tree of Life for example was never "magic" in the Bible. But in Kabbalah and in Babylon it was magic.

Here is Assyrian art showing the magician's tree of life which they thought of as more of a means to sorcery/shamanism. You can even see the two winged creatures(angelic beings) helping the kings with their magic.

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But Jesus is the real tree of Life. He hung on the cross(wood, tree) and died to bring in new Life from the dead.

The real tree of Life is when someone has received the holy Spirit. Then they are watered like the garden of Eden so they can bear fruit unto eternal life. This fruitfulness is the real fruit of the tree of Life. (John 15:5, Isaiah 51:3, Isaiah 32:15)
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The Cross is not the Tree of Life, it's the Tree of Death. Deuteronomy 21:23. "...for he that is hanged is accursed of God". The Tree of Life is Eve, a woman. As a result of A&E sin, Eve became wise. Genesis 3:6. Both Adam and Jesus were cursed by God. Genesis 3:14. Wisdom is personified as a "Tree of Life". Proverbs 3:13-20.
 
74x12

74x12

Well-Known Member
susanblange said:
The Cross is not the Tree of Life, it's the Tree of Death. Deuteronomy 21:23. "...for he that is hanged is accursed of God". The Tree of Life is Eve, a woman. As a result of A&E sin, Eve became wise. Genesis 3:6. Both Adam and Jesus were cursed by God. Genesis 3:14. Wisdom is personified as a "Tree of Life". Proverbs 3:13-20.
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Jesus is the Word of Life. By dying He brings new life from the dead. No resurrection without the cross.
 
leov

leov

Well-Known Member
74x12 said:
Melchizedek was probably Shem (Genesis 9:26, Genesis 14:18) ... he had more of an Enochian religion. Enoch was his ancestor and Noah's grandfather. (Jude 1:14) No doubt Enoch left them some writings and definitely wisdom/knowledge. I'm not sure why you think that he was more in line with Kabbalah which was started by Jewish rabbis in the medieval age. In my opinion it's untrustworthy because it has heresy and it's also probably based off of Babylonian magic. Like the tree of Life for example was never "magic" in the Bible. But in Kabbalah and in Babylon it was magic.

Here is Assyrian art showing the magician's tree of life which they thought of as more of a means to sorcery/shamanism. You can even see the two winged creatures(angelic beings) helping the kings with their magic.

M-3.jpg



But Jesus is the real tree of Life. He hung on the cross(wood, tree) and died to bring in new Life from the dead.

The real tree of Life is when someone has received the holy Spirit. Then they are watered like the garden of Eden so they can bear fruit unto eternal life. This fruitfulness is the real fruit of the tree of Life. (John 15:5, Isaiah 51:3, Isaiah 32:15)
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Christianity failed Christ Jesus teaching, Islam failed it too, Now there is Bahai, it may work.
 
nPeace

nPeace

Veteran Member
leov said:
Christianity failed Christ Jesus teaching, Islam failed it too, Now there is Bahai, it may work.
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I would agree, if you put Christianity in quotation marks, since Christianity which Jesus' followers practiced, is still being practiced today.
So it is important to differentiate, because since the early (first century) Christians did not fail Christ's teachings, and there are indeed persons today practicing the same creeds as first century Christians.
Would you not agree?

To give just a few examples...
1. The first century Christians were no part of the world - they did not get involved in politics, and wars, etc. John 15:17-19 ; 1 John 2:15-17

2. They engaged in the work of making disciples - preaching the good news of God's kingdom from town to town, village to village to the most distant part of the world. Just look at the Acts of the apostles, and their travels, as well as when they accompanied Jesus on his preaching campaigns.
You would notice too, that they were travelling overseers sent by the body in Jerusalem, to build up newly formed congregation of new disciples, and to appoint overseers in each congregation.
Note also, that all new disciples engaged in the same work of preaching the good news, with their fellow brothers. Matthew 24:14 ; 28:19, 20 ; Luke 8, 9, 10

3. They had love among themselves, and this was seen from their sharing all things in common with one another.
They took care of their elderly and widows, as well as orphans.
They came to the aid of those in need, by arranging for supplies to be sent through the hands of the brothers. John 15:35 ; 1 Corinthians 1:10 ; 2 Corinthians 13:11

4. They were united by divine teaching, and were not divided in scriptural teachings, no matter which part of the earth they lived.
This due to their being fed by one "slave" / "servant". Matthew 24:45

These are just a few areas where first century Christian practices are carried out today.
Do you see anyone doing these things?
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
nPeace said:
I would agree, if you put Christianity in quotation marks, since Christianity which Jesus' followers practiced, is still being practiced today.
So it is important to differentiate, because since the early (first century) Christians did not fail Christ's teachings, and there are indeed persons today practicing the same creeds as first century Christians.
Would you not agree?

To give just a few examples...
1. The first century Christians were no part of the world - they did not get involved in politics, and wars, etc. John 15:17-19 ; 1 John 2:15-17

2. They engaged in the work of making disciples - preaching the good news of God's kingdom from town to town, village to village to the most distant part of the world. Just look at the Acts of the apostles, and their travels, as well as when they accompanied Jesus on his preaching campaigns.
You would notice too, that they were travelling overseers sent by the body in Jerusalem, to build up newly formed congregation of new disciples, and to appoint overseers in each congregation.
Note also, that all new disciples engaged in the same work of preaching the good news, with their fellow brothers. Matthew 24:14 ; 28:19, 20 ; Luke 8, 9, 10

3. They had love among themselves, and this was seen from their sharing all things in common with one another.
They took care of their elderly and widows, as well as orphans.
They came to the aid of those in need, by arranging for supplies to be sent through the hands of the brothers. John 15:35 ; 1 Corinthians 1:10 ; 2 Corinthians 13:11

4. They were united by divine teaching, and were not divided in scriptural teachings, no matter which part of the earth they lived.
This due to their being fed by one "slave" / "servant". Matthew 24:45

These are just a few areas where first century Christian practices are carried out today.
Do you see anyone doing these things?
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Not too many. Definitely not by the various Christian sects that have swayed over into the realm of being a cult.
 
74x12

74x12

Well-Known Member
leov said:
Christianity failed Christ Jesus teaching, Islam failed it too, Now there is Bahai, it may work.
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The Bahai want to save the present world.

Jesus never taught that this world was salvageable. He teaches come out from among them and be ye separate. And that we're only travelers in the world ... There is no city for us here. We seek a city whose builder and maker is God.

The world can't comprehend the way of the cross.
 
leov

leov

Well-Known Member
74x12 said:
The Bahai want to save the present world.

Jesus never taught that this world was salvageable. He teaches come out from among them and be ye separate. And that we're only travelers in the world ... There is no city for us here. We seek a city whose builder and maker is God.

The world can't comprehend the way of the cross.
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The way I understand Bahai they want to collect their soles in the higher worlds. Jesus wanted this world to fit standards of God so, we be able to move on to higher worlds too. “Our Father in heaven,
hallowed be your name.
10Your kingdom come,
your will be done,
on earth as it is in heaven."
 
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Desert Snake

Veteran Member
JJ50 said:
There is no evidence anything Jesus is quoted as saying was actually said by him, instead of being concocted by the gospel writers,
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JESUS just means 'Lord with us'. The texts may or may not parallel a belief in 'a' jesus, an incarnation. In pre-incarnate, or spirit form, Jesus is a god, therefore it doesn't matter if the gospels are fiction. 'Jesus' is a title, (they don't even know what the incarnation name is, in standard christianity. They say it's yehoshua, except for the jesus name only churches.
 
nPeace

nPeace

Veteran Member
Desert Snake said:
JESUS just means 'Lord with us'. The texts may or may not parallel a belief in 'a' jesus, an incarnation. In pre-incarnate, or spirit form, Jesus is a god, therefore it doesn't matter if the gospels are fiction. 'Jesus' is a title, (they don't even know what the incarnation name is, in standard christianity. They say it's yehoshua, except for the jesus name only churches.
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Jesus [Lat. form of the Gr. I·e·sousʹ, which corresponds to the Heb. Ye·shuʹaʽ or Yehoh·shuʹaʽ and means “Jehovah Is Salvation”].
 
nPeace

nPeace

Veteran Member
The use of the word Lord to replace the name of God, misrepresents the true meaning of the name given to his son. It also does injustice to God's own name... imo.
 
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