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Does the bible's God know he'll regret making man - before he made man?

Does God know he'll regret making man - before he made man?

  • Yes.

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  • I don't know.

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  • If God don't know he'll regret making man before he made man, that doesn't mean he is unintelligent.

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  • If God don't know he'll regret making man before he made man, that means he is unintelligent.

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  • God probably doesn't exist.

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Pudding

Well-Known Member
Genesis 6:6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.

Does God know he'll regret making man - before he made man?

If he know he'll regret, why does he still made man?

If he don't know he'll regret, does that mean he is unintelligent?

(I might not be participate in this discussion, so please feel free to discuss/debate with other people here.)

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Definition of Repent:
Feel or express sincere regret or remorse about one's wrongdoing or sin.
 
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74x12

Well-Known Member
Genesis 6:6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.

Does God know he'll regret making man - before he made man?

If he know he'll regret, why does he still made man?

If he don't know he'll regret, does that mean he is unintelligent?

(I might not be participate in this discussion, so please feel free to discuss/debate with other people here.)
Not any of the above in my opinion. I think God is not so much regretting here as He is changing His mind about the current crop of humans on the earth at the time. He's sorry for them but not for His over all plan to see the earth inhabited by humans. Otherwise if He really was sorry He made man (in general) then why did He tell Noah and his descendants to repopulate the earth again? (Genesis 9:1) That would not make sense.

So, in conclusion God relenting and being grieved He made "man" should be kept in context of the coming flood. He's not sorry He made all people. Just those people. Because He doesn't want to see them corrupt and corrupting the world. It's better from His POV they don't exist anymore. This could get into the whole Nephilim corruption of the humane genome as laid out in Genesis 6.
 

danieldemol

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Genesis 6:6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.

Does God know he'll regret making man - before he made man?

If he know he'll regret, why does he still made man?

If he don't know he'll regret, does that mean he is unintelligent?

(I might not be participate in this discussion, so please feel free to discuss/debate with other people here.)

Edit:
Definition of Repent:
Feel or express sincere regret or remorse about one's wrongdoing or sin.
Other, God never repented the evolution of humanity, the scriptures represent primitive man’s view of God, not an accurate reflection of God
 

shmogie

Well-Known Member
Genesis 6:6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.

Does God know he'll regret making man - before he made man?

If he know he'll regret, why does he still made man?

If he don't know he'll regret, does that mean he is unintelligent?

(I might not be participate in this discussion, so please feel free to discuss/debate with other people here.)

Edit:
Definition of Repent:
Feel or express sincere regret or remorse about one's wrongdoing or sin.
God is not omniscient, he does not know what has not happened,
 

Skwim

Veteran Member
God is not omniscient, he does not know what has not happened,
Interesting. Particularly in light of . . .

John 3:20
in whatever our heart condemns us; for God is greater than our heart and knows all things.

Psalm 139:4
Even before there is a word on my tongue, Behold, O LORD, You know it all.

Hebrews 4:13
And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all things are open and laid bare to the eyes of Him with whom we have to do.

Psalm 139:1-4
O LORD, You have searched me and known me. You know when I sit down and when I rise up; You understand my thought from afar. You scrutinize my path and my lying down, And are intimately acquainted with all my ways.read more. Even before there is a word on my tongue, Behold, O LORD, You know it all.

Acts 1:24
And they prayed and said, "You, Lord, who know the hearts of all men, show which one of these two You have chosen

Psalm 147:5
Great is our Lord and abundant in strength; His understanding is infinite.

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Skwim

Veteran Member
Genesis 6:6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.

Does God know he'll regret making man - before he made man?
Of course. He's omniscient.

If he know he'll regret, why does he still made man?
Good question, and one Christians prefer to keep locked away in the far recesses of their minds.

If he don't know he'll regret, does that mean he is unintelligent?
If nothing else it would make him him down right stupid.

So, all you good Christians out there, is your god omniscient and down right stupid, OR is he not omniscient, but imperfect, and made a mistake?

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firedragon

Veteran Member
Genesis 6:6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.

Does God know he'll regret making man - before he made man?

If he know he'll regret, why does he still made man?

If he don't know he'll regret, does that mean he is unintelligent?

(I might not be participate in this discussion, so please feel free to discuss/debate with other people here.)

Edit:
Definition of Repent:
Feel or express sincere regret or remorse about one's wrongdoing or sin.

I like what Rashi says in his commentary about genesis 6:6.



ויתעצב GRIEVED HIM — means, in the mind of God man became an object to be troubled (punished): it entered God’s heart to grieve him. This is how the Targum of Onkelos understands the verse. Another explanation of verse 6: וינחם AND [THE LORD] REPENTED — The thoughts of God turned from Divine mercy to Divine justice: He considered what to do with man whom He had made on the earth. Wherever this term is used in the Scripture it means “considering what to do”. Examples are: (Numbers 18:19) “nor the son of man that He should consider (ויתנחם)”; (Deuteronomy 32:36) “and reconsider (ויתנחם) regarding His servants”; (Exodus 22:14) “and the Lord reconsidered (וינחם) regarding the evil”; (1 Samuel 15:2) “I am reconsidering (נחמתי) that I have set up Saul to be king” — all these passages denote a change of mind.
 

Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
Genesis 6:6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.

Does God know he'll regret making man - before he made man?

If he know he'll regret, why does he still made man?

If he don't know he'll regret, does that mean he is unintelligent?

(I might not be participate in this discussion, so please feel free to discuss/debate with other people here.)

Edit:
Definition of Repent:
Feel or express sincere regret or remorse about one's wrongdoing or sin.

A modern translation of the Bible helps....archaic English is a lost language....too confusing.

God doesn't 'repent', but at times has reasons to 'regret' certain things. They are not the same.

Genesis 6:6
"Jehovah regretted that he had made men on the earth, and his heart was saddened."

The Jewish Tanach renders it in a similar way.

It wasn't the creation of man that God regretted but the fact that man's conduct had led him to such a low level of degradation in his short history.
There was demonic intervention that caused this moral decay in humans. This is what God regretted....that his free willed creatures would misuse this gift to the detriment of all.

God can know anything he wishes; being able to see into the future enables him to warn his people of what is to come....this becomes Bible prophesy.

The one thing that we see in scripture is that God *acted* only once and that is in the creation account in Genesis.
After he had given his intelligent creatures instruction on how to proceed, he then left their decisions up to them, hoping that they would choose to obey him because he had been so generous to them in his provisions for them. So all of his actions thereafter were *reactions* to what his creatures were doing. All the while he kept control of everything. When he needed to act to bring his purpose back on track he did so in response to their activity. (e.g. the flood of Noah's day)

But abuse of free will did not first take place with humans.....it first took place with an angel, who had been placed in a position of authority and responsibility in the garden of Eden. This angel wanted worship for himself and up until the creation of humans, he had no one who could see him as a god. He lied to woman, which in turn led the man to divide his loyalties between his God and his wife. His choice led them away from God and eventually a third of the angels followed satan as well....these also had free will. So now we had to armies at war....but only one could win. One side plays dirty...the other plays fair.
This is a battle for the hearts and minds of men.

So, in order to prove that the first rebels were in error, God allowed the whole scenario to play out naturally because he had foreseen the outcome and knew how to restore his first purpose for the earth and for his human creation.....and in the process, to create precedents for all time to come.

We are living in the greatest object lesson in human history. It has a foretold outcome and only those who retain their faith in God through the direction of his written word and the example and teachings of his son will survive its conclusion. We are heading for the showdown....and its going to be messy.

All this time God has been choosing the citizens for his everlasting Kingdom. By allowing us all to be caught in the act of being ourselves, God can see by our choices and attitudes whether we will be the kind of people who will make this world a better place, having learned all the lessons from the past....but we have to choose sides....decisively, of our own free will.

I personally think God's strategy is brilliant, because in this time period he not only gets to see us as we really are, but his judgments set precedents for all time to come, so that no human or angel will ever be able to challenge his sovereignty again. This ensures that life on earth will go back to what God purposed in the first place. A peaceful place for humans to live and enjoy his creations...forever.

'God knows from the beginning, the finale'.....(Isaiah 46:10) He tells us how to take the winning side. We either listen or ignore him.
 

Skwim

Veteran Member
Genesis 6:6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.

Does God know he'll regret making man - before he made man?
If he's omniscient as Christians claim, he does.

If he know he'll regret, why does he still made man?
You're not suppose to ask such questions. It makes god look stupid.

If he don't know he'll regret, does that mean he is unintelligent?
Not necessarily. he could simply not be omniscient.



A modern translation of the Bible helps....archaic English is a lost language....too confusing.

God doesn't 'repent', but at times has reasons to 'regret' certain things. They are not the same.

Genesis 6:6
"Jehovah regretted that he had made men on the earth, and his heart was saddened."
Actually, of the 51 Bibles I looked at the following are the number of times a particular word is used in the given context of Genesis 6:6

"Sorry" 22

"Regretted" 15

"Repented" 12

"Very Sad" 1

"Relented" 1

So your "regretted" only shows up 29% of the time, which is hardly a stellar and convincing showing.

But this silliness aside---trying to establish a difference when there is none---God's being sorry, regretting, repenting, sadness, and relenting all establish one thing: He made a mistake. A person isn't sorry for, regrets, or repents those things one has done right. Face it. God is admitting he blew it, and beings, including gods, that make mistakes are not perfect.


It wasn't the creation of man that God regretted but the fact that man's conduct had led him to such a low level of degradation in his short history.
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A little tap dancing eh.

What difference does it make what led god to his regret? The end result would have been the same: a recognition that making man was a mistake. Moreover, the Bible clearly says:

"The Lord regretted that he had made human beings on the earth."
You do recognize, do you not, that in this context "creation" and "made" are synonyms, and that your little tap dances here to save the character of god fails miserably.


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Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
Actually, of the 51 Bibles I looked at the following are the number of times a particular word is used in the given context of Genesis 6:6

"Sorry" 22

"Regretted" 15

"Repented" 12

"Very Sad" 1

"Relented" 1

So your "regretted" only shows up 29% of the time, which is hardly a stellar and convincing showing.

Suggesting that God “repents” is way different to saying that he had “regrets” over something.

In our understanding of these words in English, to “repent” is to feel sorry for something you did wrong....but you can “regret” many things that are not your fault....you can “regret” giving birth to someone who turned out to be a mass murderer. It doesn’t mean that you “repent” because you had nothing to do with the actions of a free willed adult person who chose that course....and happens to be your child.

Is this a dumbing down that’s required for kids in 3rd grade?
Is your command of English that stilted?

The Bible was not written in English. It is left to the translators to convey the true meaning of original language words, which we can see by your references, that they fail sometimes.
The Jewish Tanach renders it "regretted"....not "repented".
Berei**** - Genesis - Chapter 6 (Parshah Berei**** and Noach)

But this silliness aside---trying to establish a difference when there is none---God's being sorry, regretting, repenting, sadness, and relenting all establish one thing: He made a mistake. A person isn't sorry for, regrets, or repents those things one has done right. Face it. God is admitting he blew it, and beings, including gods, that make mistakes are not perfect.

"Silliness" is right. IMO people who look for faults in God are blind to their own faulty thinking. If it makes you feel good to find these “faults” in the Creator, then relish the moment....I assure you it will not last. He never makes mistakes....but humans do all the time. Mistakes mean a 'failure in judgment'....sin creates this in humans, but God does not have any sin in him. His actions are deliberate with a full comprehension of what he is doing and why he is doing it. He even knows the outcome of his actions. Can humans claim the same?

What difference does it make what led god to his regret? The end result would have been the same: a recognition that making man was a mistake. Moreover, the Bible clearly says:

"The Lord regretted that he had made human beings on the earth."
You do recognize, do you not, that in this context "creation" and "made" are synonyms, and that your little tap dances here to save the character of god fails miserably..

It fails only for those who have been led to believe a lot of lies and misconceptions about the Creator, and the reason for his actions. It amazes me to read the posts of those who claim to be 'agnostic' but who post like hate filled atheists. Why not just admit who you are?

If God is imaginary, then why are you constantly shaking your fist at him? What does it matter to you if we believe in him? Why do you constantly need people to prop up your belief that he isn't there or that he is a failure and doesn't care? Any ideas? You don't know why you need that to be the truth? Is there safety in numbers?.....Not where God is concerned.

The regret that God felt came from giving life to humans who abused his generosity and care. He did not regret creating them per se, but regretted the fact that they had abused their free will to that extent. They had chosen to believe someone they didn't even know, who fed them a line, created doubt, and the woman believed him. The man was not deceived, but was forced into a situation that divided his loyalty....divide and conquer is a ploy that works for the devil to this day.

Once he had accomplished a separation between humans and their God, the downhill spiral has continued in all of human history. Today, we have more trouble with less excuse than any other people in history. Yet, here we are back in times "like the days of Noah". (Matthew 24:37-39) True Christians know what this means......but the doubters will just have to wait and see....sitting on some imaginary fence where they will spring one way or the other when the time comes......sorry, it doesn't work like that. Building an ark took Noah decades. And it wasn't Noah who closed the door.

The Creator doesn't need the opinion of humans to accomplish what he set out to do. His purpose for creation will go ahead, with us or without us....so at the end of the day when God requires an accounting of those who cared enough about the truth to find out about what he is doing and why we are in this situation.....where will the complainers and fault finders be then? There is a reason why there are "few" on the road to life. (Matthew 7:13-14)

Won't it be interesting for y'all to find out if your choice was the right one? After all...what have you got to lose?
 
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