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Contradictions in the Bible

savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
This is for those people who are dedicated to the Bible to believe it. Really, you serve it and are distributing it to whomever you please as a seed that you are taking care of to sow it.


Matthew 4:10 Jesus said to him, "Away from me, Satan! For it is written: 'Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.'"

Joshua 24:14
Now therefore fear the LORD, and serve him in sincerity and in truth: and put away the gods which your fathers served on the other side of the flood, and in Egypt; and serve ye the LORD.

Exodus 20:3 You shall have no other gods before me.

Serve GOD.
 
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sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
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Well, that is what I said. You don't believe the Bible
I do believe the Bible. But I believe it for what it is, not for what I wish it to be. Thinking that a clam has legs doesn’t mean that a clam has legs.

I recognize a metaphor. I don't interpret the Bible metapohrically
Sux for you, because the Bible uses metaphor. A lot.

The Bible is the Word of God and does prove and interpret itself
Fine. Heres an image of one of the texts in the original languages. Let’s see how that goes for you.
 

savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
I am thinking about sifting, satan, and truth.

It is my opinion that Satan does not care about the truth.
It is my opinion that the one called Jesus does very much care about it.
I believe that humans can discern the truth (but we shall never be perfect at it).
I hope that all minds have the capacity to sift information and that God will make fast the truth in one's mind and to give the person the power to reject or to sift out the chaff.

Who doesn't know at this point in time that the chaff is not people? It's ideas.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
I do believe the Bible. But I believe it for what it is, not for what I wish it to be. Thinking that a clam has legs doesn’t mean that a clam has legs.
Hah! Shows what you know. There is a reason that this is not a well known fact:

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But these days with video cameras everywhere the clam's secret is no longer safe:

 

rrobs

Well-Known Member
I see your error. They made the mistake of incorporating the one claim of Paul into all of the other verses. Properly you should have said that there are twelve times that witness of Jesus after he died. Only one of them claimed that there were 500 witnesses. By the way, apologist sites are not reliable at all. This is an example of their dishonesty. They misled you and you bought their narrative. And none of the claims of eyewitnesses appear to have been written by eyewitnesses or even those that are eyewitnesses. Lastly they mentioned what is thought to be a an example of a psuedograph as one of their best examples. The other best example, that of a supposed skeptic, Paul, who openly declared that his knowledge came from "visions".

And J.K. Rowling may have been influenced by the Bible. The Bible appears to have adopted quite a few stories from other sources as well so it would only be fitting if she did.
I should have taken more care in selecting a website. You are absolutely right. I forget what the original issue was, so I can't comment any further on that point.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
I should have taken more care in selecting a website. You are absolutely right. I forget what the original issue was, so I can't comment any further on that point.

The issue was how often in the Bible that the claim of 500 witnesses to the resurrection could be found. Paul was the only one that made that claim as far as I can seen. The website that you used should have worded their claim. For example: "The Bible claims at least 12 times that eyewitnesses saw Jesus after his crucifixion, one claim is that as many as 500 saw him." That would have more accurately represented what the Bible says.
 

rrobs

Well-Known Member
Nice!

With regard to the serpent, do you know how the ancients used that figure of speech (metaphor), and why?
He was an enchanter. He was what we might call today, "a man's man." That is why Eve was deceived. That's my understanding. Do you have in info?
 

sooda

Veteran Member
He was an enchanter. He was what we might call today, "a man's man." That is why Eve was deceived. That's my understanding. Do you have in info?

Snake cults were very big in Mesopotamia, Egypt, the Levant, the Arabian Peninsula and the Indus Valley long before Genesis.
 

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
He was an enchanter. He was what we might call today, "a man's man." That is why Eve was deceived. That's my understanding. Do you have in info?
The serpent in Genesis is wisdom. The Genesis creation account comes from an older, Babylonian myth. The serpent represents wisdom in ancient, near Eastern mythology. It puts a whole different spin on theological constructs like original sin, which has far-reaching impact on the core tenets of the faith.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
The serpent in Genesis is wisdom. The Genesis creation account comes from an older, Babylonian myth. The serpent represents wisdom in ancient, near Eastern mythology. It puts a whole different spin on theological constructs like original sin, which has far-reaching impact on the core tenets of the faith.

I have yet to see any believer deal with the fact that the Serpent was the only one that told the truth in the story.
 

sooda

Veteran Member
The serpent in Genesis is wisdom. The Genesis creation account comes from an older, Babylonian myth. The serpent represents wisdom in ancient, near Eastern mythology. It puts a whole different spin on theological constructs like original sin, which has far-reaching impact on the core tenets of the faith.

Yep.

Ancient Snake Cults in the Middle East and Indus Valley
https://www.religiousforums.com/threads/ancient-snake-cults-in-the-middle-east-and...
Apr 10, 2019 · Pre-Islamic Middle Eastern regions were home to mysterious snake cults, according to two papers published in this month's Arabian Archaeology and Epigraphy journal. From at least 1250 B.C. until around 550 A.D., residents of what is now the Persian Gulf worshipped snakes in elaborate temple complexes that appear to have been built for this ...
 

rrobs

Well-Known Member
The issue was how often in the Bible that the claim of 500 witnesses to the resurrection could be found. Paul was the only one that made that claim as far as I can seen. The website that you used should have worded their claim. For example: "The Bible claims at least 12 times that eyewitnesses saw Jesus after his crucifixion, one claim is that as many as 500 saw him." That would have more accurately represented what the Bible says.
Now I remember. Yes, Paul was the only one who said about 500 people saw Jesus. Given that Paul said he was an apostle of Jesus Christ, that all scripture was given by inspiration of God, that Paul said he did not lie, I accept what he said.

The 1st century accepted Paul to be no less of an authority than Moses. Paul said he was sent by God and that he spoke what God told him to speak. Having some understanding of Paul's gospel, I have no trouble whatsoever seeing how it fits perfectly with the rest of scriptures.

Paul revealed the mystery (1 Cor 2:7, Eph 1:9, Eph 3:3, et. al.) that God had kept to himself until He told Paul. Jesus didn't even know about the mystery ("secret" is a better word). That is why he told his disciples that some of them would live to see his return. The only scriptures Jesus had were Genesis to Malachi. According to them (Daniel specifically) there would be 7 years between his first coming as a lamb led to slaughter and his second coming as King of Kings. He had no idea about God's secret plan to create a new assembly (church) composed of born again believers who were neither Jew nor Gentile. Of course all of that apparently takes some time, 2,000+ years so far. Jesus was correct with the information he had available.

We don't know how much longer this present age will last, but eventually Jesus will return and finish the work God promised Israel. To see God's complete dealing with Israel (and Gentiles who converted), just read Genesis through John, and then go to Revelation. Everything between John and Revelation is God's dealing with the assembly of the body of Christ. Israel is the bride, Christians are the body. The books of Romans through Thessalonians form the Magna Carta of Christianity. They represent the first comma in Isaiah 61:2,

To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn;​

You might notice that in Luke 4:19 Jesus stopped in the middle of this verse when reading Isaiah 61:2. Why? He could make the claim that he represented the acceptable year of the Lord, but the day of vengeance was yet in the future, i.e. his second coming. Between those two advents we have the mystery (secret), the age of grace in which we currently live.

All of the above is why Paul is so misunderstood and why so many think he is a fraud. But when properly understood, Paul's revelation of the mystery, that God would make a new creation out of both Jew and Gentile, is the epitome of scripture as far as I can tell.

Have you ever heard of that mystery in the church? Maybe, but odds are that you didn't. Despite the fact that it is "what's happening" today, the churches are by and large silent. For now, score one for Satan I guess. But it'll all come out in the wash!
 

rrobs

Well-Known Member
I have yet to see any believer deal with the fact that the Serpent was the only one that told the truth in the story.
If that is true, then, according to Gen 3:4-5, we are gods and none of us die. Is that really the truth. If so, then I can just zap anybody who doesn't believe just like me? :)
 

rrobs

Well-Known Member
Snake cults were very big in Mesopotamia, Egypt, the Levant, the Arabian Peninsula and the Indus Valley long before Genesis.
Yes. I imagine the history of snake cults would be an interesting study. Something I haven't done yet, but maybe one of these days.
 

sooda

Veteran Member
Yes. I imagine the history of snake cults would be an interesting study. Something I haven't done yet, but maybe one of these days.

I think the story about Moses and the snakes in Sinai is very interesting.
 

rrobs

Well-Known Member
The serpent in Genesis is wisdom. The Genesis creation account comes from an older, Babylonian myth. The serpent represents wisdom in ancient, near Eastern mythology. It puts a whole different spin on theological constructs like original sin, which has far-reaching impact on the core tenets of the faith.
I can't say I agree with the origin of Genesis, but I wholeheartedly agree with the far reaching impact on Adam's disobedience. Romans says that because of that sin entered the world and death by sin.

Have you ever wondered what kind of consciousness Adam had before acquiring the knowledge of good and evil? The words "good" and "evil" in Hebrew really have little to do with morality. They are better thought of as "functional" and "dysfunctional" or "what works correctly" and "what does not work correctly."

I think it is interesting that Taoism has yin and yang arising from the Tao. Yin and yang are the two basic elements that make up the material world. We have hot and cold, high and low, bright and dim, etc. Our brains are effectively contrast registering machines. In white out snow conditions we can not see. The same for pitch darkness. We need contrast to make sense of the world around us. The Tao, on the other hand, is said to be unfathomable. It is described as an undifferentiated whole. As such we are not equipped to register it's existence. I think that before Adam disobeyed they had some kind of consciousness that transcended yin/yang or good/evil. What that would be like, I have no idea, but I think we might find out when Jesus comes back again. The book says there will be no evil or dysfunction. Every thing will work the way God intended when He made this current universe. It will finally function as God meant for it to function.
 
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